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Greetings to you all I have a question and wondered if any of you out there have already tried this.

Has anyone every used or try to use stripper clips on a magnum sized DG cartridge ?
I was thinking the other day if you are on a hunt and need to reload your mag quickly instead of going back and forth to your ammo belt 4 or 5 times, what about pulling out a stripper clip with X amount of cartridges ready to go and in one movement load your rifle up and you can carry on, like what they used on the Lee Enfield and Mosen- Nagants.

Has anyone ever tried this with any positive or negative results ?
 
Possible, but you would likely need a specially designed action to hold the clip (like the model 98). And of course, it would have be a rifle without a traditionally mounted scope.
 
Possible, but you would likely need a specially designed action to hold the clip (like the model 98). And of course, it would have be a rifle without a traditionally mounted scope.

Thank you Red Leg I have two Zkk602 which are built on the 98 action so I might be in luck don’t use scopes either so maybe I buy a few clips and try them out !!
 
Thank you Red Leg I have two Zkk602 which are built on the 98 action so I might be in luck don’t use scopes either so maybe I buy a few clips and try them out !!
The clips need to be sized to fit your rims. Standard 98's (for 8x57) won't work for any larger DG rounds. And the action needs to be ex-military '98 with the stripper clip slot - I don't believe the 602 has that?
 
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Hmm.. the ony DG cartridge I can think of that would (probably) work with a stripper clip would be the .425 WR. I believe the 11.2x72 Schuler would also fit in standard military clips.

They have a rebated rim which should be close enough to 8×57mm Mauser cartridge. But pehaps there are other clips on the market as well?
 
Hmm.. the ony DG cartridge I can think of that would (probably) work with a stripper clip would be the .425 WR. I believe the 11.2x72 Schuler would also fit in standard military clips.

They have a rebated rim which should be close enough to 8×57mm Mauser cartridge. But pehaps there are other clips on the market as well?
I am thinking you would need custom made clips and a stripper clip slot sized to those custom strips. Quickly getting a trifle complicated (and expensive).
 
The clips need to be sized to fit your rims. Standard 98's (for 8x57) won't work for any larger DG rounds. And the action needs to be ex-military '98 with the stripper clip slot - I don't believe the 602 has that?

Ahh ok so a little bit of filing down the clips to get the cartridges to fit then ? To be honest I do not have the rifles in front of me at the moment only be able to get to them on the weekend but will have a proper look!! And will let you know the clips are only $2 each so for a bit tinkering around to see if I can manage to get it to work is fine!! Will do some more digging though and see what I can find out and if I manage to get it working will see if I can upload a vid !!
 
Hmm.. the ony DG cartridge I can think of that would (probably) work with a stripper clip would be the .425 WR. I believe the 11.2x72 Schuler would also fit in standard military clips.

They have a rebated rim which should be close enough to 8×57mm Mauser cartridge. But pehaps there are other clips on the market as well?

I am not to sure all the clips I can find are the 303 British the Mosen - Nagant , SKS and AR 15 !! Nothing I can find for magnum calibre. Unless someone on here knows a guy who knows a guy
 
Ahh ok so a little bit of filing down the clips to get the cartridges to fit then ? To be honest I do not have the rifles in front of me at the moment only be able to get to them on the weekend but will have a proper look!! And will let you know the clips are only $2 each so for a bit tinkering around to see if I can manage to get it to work is fine!! Will do some more digging though and see what I can find out and if I manage to get it working will see if I can upload a vid !!
Do the rifles have the stripper clip slot? Without it, I am not sure it has a prayer of working.
 
No!

I've never tried it and I never will as it negates the use of a scope and I would have to mill a striper slot in the rear bridge and fabricate the clips themselves.

IF I hit an animal with the first round and it goes down I immediately put a new round in an close the bolt.

IF I shoot, hit and it doesn't go down that animal will get every round in the magazine in him even if the second takes him off his feet.

The reason?

The first bullet is normally the best aimed and most damaging so if he doesn't die on the spot it could mean that he is a one in a million that runs a hundred or more yards with no heart so I want to bust him up as quickly as possible so everything in his steering gear is all busted to hell in case he decides to stomp me.

My 8mm, 7mm, 6.5 Swed and Jap along with 03 and a few other military rifles that have slots and no scopes have a bountyful amount of strippers for them on hand.

If someone didn't want a scope it's kind of a cool idea for the really big magnums.
 
As I think about it, a stripper clip wouldn't make sense to me in any hunting situation in my experience. The only utility would be a theoretical fast reload after shooting the weapon dry. Not sure where that might happen outside a firefight or trying to hold off a charging Zulu Impi. You are going to get one or two - maybe three shots at a buffalo before starting a follow-up. You would top off the fired rounds and take up the track. Trying to top-off from a stripper clip would just complicate the reload drill (you would almost always have rounds left in the magazine). I think you are searching for a solution to a non-existent problem in hunting dangerous game.
 
As I think about it, a stripper clip wouldn't make sense to me in any hunting situation in my experience. The only utility would be a theoretical fast reload after shooting the weapon dry. Not sure where that might happen outside a firefight or trying to hold off a charging Zulu Impi. You are going to get one or two - maybe three shots at a buffalo before starting a follow-up. You would top off the fired rounds and take up the track. Trying to top-off from a stripper clip would just complicate the reload drill (you would almost always have rounds left in the magazine). I think you are searching for a solution to a non-existent problem in hunting dangerous game.

The main reason why this question and or idea came to mind was thinking back over the 4 elephant and lion I have hunted while doing PAC in Zimbabwe and doing to the training and and shooting test etc etc. It is more about getting proficient and prepared for the worst.

All the elephant I have taken have been in at night in a maize field with no lights just the moon if lucky, and things don’t always go according to plan and on one occasion doing hip shots on a elephant at night in a maize field is not the easiest thing to do when there are elephants trumpeting crashing around trying to get out of dodge and the torch bearer is flicking the beam all over the place, and not wanting the animal to get out that field and cross back over the road to where they came from. All I can say is that I am lucky I had a zkk602 which can hold 5 down and one up. But that is the only occasion I have done that and one I hope never to repeat. And I wish had the opportunity to take them all at during the day so things like that are less likely to happen.

I could not agree more with you what you said we all pray for a one shot kill and like you said 2 or 3 shots at the most and as soon as you have a chance you reload, and carry on your hunt.

But things do happen out in the field and although it might not happen every day or ever happen there is nothing wrong with getting proficient and prepared and if it can be done some how without giving up an arm a leg and ruining a rifle, why not try it and if it works great and look like a boss in front of all the ladies at the range and if it doesn’t it doesn’t no harm done !!
 
I've used stripper clips for my FN M98 in 9.3x66mm. It really sped the loading and reloading process up, but I have to remove my scope to do it, so I don't do it much anymore if at all.

This is an interesting idea for a DG rifle, I'm sure it had merit and someone out there has thought about it already. If you do find the clips, you'll still need the action slot.
 
Im repeating what has already been said by @Red Leg and @fsrmg1 .. but unless you are willing to let someone do some pretty heavy machining on your action, I dont think stripper clips are an option for you..


pic of a zkk602 action:
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pic of a standard M98 military action..

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look at the rear of the action, in front of the bolt handle.. the cut out on the military action is where the stripper clip is inserted.. if your rifle doesnt already have this, someone is going to have to machine one into your action for you..

This is likely going to decrease the value of your rifle if you do it.. as the "hump" on a military mauser and the stripper clip slot are among the things most people that use sportered mausers generally dislike A LOT.. the hump and clip slot make scope base options very limited.. and many people just think the hump and slot are unsightly.. its not uncommon for people to actually have the hump ground off the gun on nicer custom jobs..

If the guns value doesnt really matter.. then no problem...

but..

I also think you are likely looking at a pretty expensive job having the machine work done by a competent gunsmith, and then having stripper clips fabricated that will reliably work with a DG cartridge..
 

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Stripper clips work great, until they don't.

I do a fair bit of McQueens and classic military rifle shooting with an old SMLE, so I have a bit of first hand experience using and watching others use stripper clips under a bit of time stress (mad minute shoots mostly).

I used to practice quite a lot with dummy rounds and the clips and spent a lot of time finding the best proportioned, perfectly machined, unbent clips, which would then be fettled and greased extensively for 'competitive' (and I use that term loosely having seen my scores) use. These always fed flawlessly in practice, but get on the range, and in the heat of competition you would expect a jam or hold up every couple of uses. The idea of trusting my life to the function of a $2 bit of pot metal under dusty, stressful conditions when facing down a wounded DG animal fills me with dread.

You've only got to sit on one, or fail to stagger the rounds in one, or miss insert one and you'll get issues, which will invariably be much slower to rectify that just fumbling a single round, plus if you aren't slotting in an entire clip into the mag in one go, you'll struggle to pull out the half filled one. And then there's the fact that at least if you drop a round into the action you can just flick it out and still run the bolt.

Personally, if you really need more than your mags capacity of rounds, get a second mag and carry it full in a pocket. Way quicker and more reliable to slap that in versus a clip.

Suppose the 98 clips might be better mind, but the SMLE and No4 has a pretty well deserved reputation as a pretty slick loading and running comp gun in Classic military rifle comps, so that's something I guess.
 
Maybe 3 round clips might work better than ones that hold a lot more and are not designed to be used more than once?
 
Stripper clips, that brings back memories...many years ago...in the Army ...
 
shooting in moonlight would be better done with a scope with a 56mm objective lense.
can't use clips then.
bruce.
 
One potential problem to keep in mind.

If you machine a stripper clip slot into the action of a 602. Take care not to cut into the slot under the dove tail, that holds the scope mount and allows for instant zero while using QD rings.
 

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