ZIMBABWE: Leopard Charge My Nightmare In Zimbabwe

Philip, well done in a tough spot! I actually had someone freeze to the point of being unable to pull the trigger on a grizzly charge. Not a great feeling! Let us know if you set something up to help your PH. Perhaps the best insurance we could assist him with would be a double rifle!
 
First, somehow I missed this thread when it was posted originally. Amazing, scary, and everything in between. Thank you for sharing it!

Second, I had a similar experience on my buffalo hunt in Tanzania with my Ruger 375 Alaskan. The empty brass just sat at an angle in front of the chamber, jamming the new round being sent in as I cycled the bolt. I was able to clear it by hand, but it certainly slowed me down, and cost a follow up shot. I know I worked the bolt hard, but I just assumed I screwed something up somehow. It was exactly the same as happened to you. Please let me know if you come across something that can repair this dangerous malfunction!
Wow! Yes this is exactly what happened. The brass was just sitting there and if you had a second you could just turn the gun a bit and it would fall out but in a pressure situation you are working that next round in quickly and it won't go!
I am sorry you had this problem as well but it at least proves I am not crazy. It may be a while with Christmas coming up quick but I will see what a top notch gunsmith can do with it and report back.
Philip
 
Philip, well done in a tough spot! I actually had someone freeze to the point of being unable to pull the trigger on a grizzly charge. Not a great feeling! Let us know if you set something up to help your PH. Perhaps the best insurance we could assist him with would be a double rifle!
Thanks and he is doing well and yes he has a double now!
 
Wow! Yes this is exactly what happened. The brass was just sitting there and if you had a second you could just turn the gun a bit and it would fall out but in a pressure situation you are working that next round in quickly and it won't go!
I am sorry you had this problem as well but it at least proves I am not crazy. It may be a while with Christmas coming up quick but I will see what a top notch gunsmith can do with it and report back.
Philip
I would certainly appreciate it if you can relay any solutions to me! I have a 375 Ruger and a 416 Ruger that now I have some concerns about!
 
Reading these updates to this thread, as I prepare to head to the range with 5 rifles...including the new-to-me RSM 458 Lott.

Decided to pull the bolt and get a feel for the strength of the spring that operates that ejector.

Hmmmm....it does seem weak!

I will be looking into a stronger spring for that puppy! I want that sucker into battery quicker than I can get the head of a case banging into it, for sure!
 
Guys IMHO everyone knows about CZ's issues and that they to be corrected before going afield. But this problem with Ruger(s) was "a new one on me." This deserves it's own thread so that all AH(ers) know of the potential problem. It is no longer a matter of "if" it will occur but "when" it will occur.

Phillip Glass, since you were to one to bring this problem to light I think it would be appropriate for you to take "point" till a solution is found and information disseminated. Especially since you are already planning on having your rifles looked at and hopefully fixed. We cannot let this issue just simply return to the closet.
 
Reading these updates to this thread, as I prepare to head to the range with 5 rifles...including the new-to-me RSM 458 Lott.

Decided to pull the bolt and get a feel for the strength of the spring that operates that ejector.

Hmmmm....it does seem weak!

I will be looking into a stronger spring for that puppy! I want that sucker into battery quicker than I can get the head of a case banging into it, for sure!

Back from my range session.

I put 25 rounds through the Lott. 18 of them were 6, 3 shot strings, rapid.

I had no trouble outrunning the ejector. 2/3 of the empties did not eject until I pushed the bolt forward about 3/8", then brought it back a second time. Ejection was 100% on the second try.

Honestly, this does need to be fixed...but now that I know about the issue, I could train around it, if I had to. Fortunately, I don't have to.

I can still get three shots off faster with the Lott, double-shucking it or slowing down, than I can with the No 1. ;)

I will watch for that new thread. :)
 
Back from my range session.

I put 25 rounds through the Lott. 18 of them were 6, 3 shot strings, rapid.

I had no trouble outrunning the ejector. 2/3 of the empties did not eject until I pushed the bolt forward about 3/8", then brought it back a second time. Ejection was 100% on the second try.

Honestly, this does need to be fixed...but now that I know about the issue, I could train around it, if I had to. Fortunately, I don't have to.

I can still get three shots off faster with the Lott, double-shucking it or slowing down, than I can with the No 1. ;)

I will watch for that new thread. :)

A pot with a lot of chunks was just stirred me thinks....
 
I have heard of a ph that attached a bayonet to follow up on wounded cats. Not sure if anyone does this today. If it was my livelihood, it is something I would seriously consider.

I have seen this on old doubles used for tiger hunting.
 
2/3 of the empties did not eject until I pushed the bolt forward about 3/8", then brought it back a second time. Ejection was 100% on the second try.

Eish!!! 2/3 is 60 %!!! success rate on ejection.... What is this forward and back for the second time to eject? What a disaster waiting to happen!! When I pull back on my DG rifles they eject each and every time on the first stroke, period.....

Honestly, this does need to be fixed...

Honestly??? Maybe I am misreading this but I would not get close to such a rifle for DG hunting....It either works 100% every time or it does not get used...
 
I can get my M77 Hawkeye in 308 to fail to eject every time if I torque the bolt handle (I.e. Slightly twist on the bolt handle while working it hard). From what I've read the ejector slot might be too narrow and needs to be flared slightly with a jewelers file. I can't recreate it with my M70 and the same slot looks to be much wider in the Winchester. Food for thought..
 
I guess I got lucky with mine. I've done speed shooting in practice and in real conditions (3 buffalo) and I've never had an issue with the ejecting with my RSM in the Rigby. Probably just cursed myself by saying this....
 
Eish!!! 2/3 is 60 %!!! success rate on ejection.... What is this forward and back for the second time to eject? What a disaster waiting to happen!! When I pull back on my DG rifles they eject each and every time on the first stroke, period.....



Honestly??? Maybe I am misreading this but I would not get close to such a rifle for DG hunting....It either works 100% every time or it does not get used...

The ejector is not fixed, it is spring loaded.

Therefore, it is possible for several things to go wrong.

The spring can either start out or get weak.

The ejector can get dirty/gummed up and this slows it down, allowing one to get the bolt back faster than the ejector can get into battery.

If the bolt is moved rearward rapidly enough that the ejector does not get into battery, a flick forward roughly 1/4" to 3/8" allows the ejector to pop up and then upon a second rearward pull the case ejects. This does take a half second or so to accomplish.

Not sure what the confusion is over the word "honestly"? I am saying it needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, it is a design flaw...so while no machine can be guaranteed to be 100%, this one is in need of some remedial work to even get to 90%, let alone 99.95%.

Time will tell if I can get it there. I've only had it in my possession a week, and only ran 25 rounds through it.

Tim
 
I had a question pop into my mind.
Do manufacturers use different strength ejector springs in the bolt, in direct proportion to caliber?
 
I had a question pop into my mind.
Do manufacturers use different strength ejector springs in the bolt, in direct proportion to caliber?

I wouldn't think so. Caliber/chambering would not impact the operations of the extractor. It is a lever that must pop up to engage the head of the case as it comes rearward. Nothing more?

The spring is not in the bolt, actually.
 
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I’m thinking of the bolt on the left that has the button. There must be some spring behind it to push out.
Larger caliber having a slightly larger spring to throw the slightly increased weight of the brass.
I can imagine the wrong spring or some "gunk" could cause some issues for ejecting the brass.
 
I just replaced the ejector plunger spring in one of my bolt rifles. The spring was definitely located in the bolt. Most that I have replaced over the years were really just full of oil, dirt and brass debris, but this one had become weakened.............yours may be different. ..........FWB
 
Hi All, I hope I can help with a bit of advice on RSM’s specifically and Ruger’s in general, but PLEASE! Don’t go working on your beautiful RSM unless you know what you are doing! I don’t want to be an accessory to shade tree gunsmithing :eek::D

There are 3 things (at least) that you can do to correct the issue of the ejector snapping into position too slowly and the spent case riding up ober it. One is to replace the existing spring with a heavier spring. This is the easiest but not necessarily the best option.
Let me back up a little. We want the ejector fully in position prior to the case rim coming into contact with it when a spent case is being extracted and reliably ejected. The problem referred to in the thread above is very real and can have dire consequences. But is VERY fixable. There are 2 ways to go about this. Get the ejector to snap into position more quickly, or to give it more time to snap into position. Or both.
Replacing the ejector spring with a heavier spring will accomplish the “quicker” into position, but it causes the ejector to push against the bolt with more force and may cause more drag on the bolt, which you will feel and may cause wear on the bolt and wear on the ejector.
A better option in my opinion is to give the ejector a little more time to get into position. This can be accomplished by altering the slot geometry (clearance slot in the bolt) and modifying the ejector geometry. This will allow the ejector to get started on its upward travel sooner, which in turn gets it into position sooner.
Also, it is possible through “torque” or twist on the bolt when cycling the action rapidly for the ejector to rub on one wall or the other of the ejector clearance slot in the bolt. Before modifying anything! you should determine if you can induce interference between the slot and the ejector. If you can, correcting this issue should be the first order of business. This can be done by “tweaking” the ejector SLIGHTLY so it lines up in the slot in the bolt better OR by widening the slot in the bolt. If you tweak the ejector you need to make sure it still runs freely in the slot in the receiver.
There are a number of subtleties involved here that are really impossible to properly convey without a lot of pictures and verbiage, but a good gunsmith can remedy this issue with very little time and expense.
There are a few things that I would absolutely do to any RSM I planned on shooting much or hunting Dangerous Game with:
The .375 H&H doesn’t kick much at all due to the weight of the RSM, but on the .416 Rigby & .458 Lott, I would definitely replace the rubber butt plate with a QUALITY recoil pad. At the same time, adjust LOP to fit you properly.
I would replace the existing front sight with a NECG white bead front sight and dial in the open sights to hit point of aim at your chosen distance. Mine is 25 yards.
I would make certain my rifle has a newer generation claw extractor. The older ones have slighlty different claw geometry and do not feed nearly as well when the round is coming out of the right side of the magazine box. I will try to dig up some pictures of the 2 extractors so you can see the difference.
And last but probably most important. Make sure your ejector is functioning as it should when running the bolt HARD!
It is pretty hard to beat a RSM for the money. I have several and I love them.
I believe it is the responsibilty of the rifle owner to determine for himself if the rifle he intends to hunt dangerous game with is up to the task. Most rifles are not, straight out of the box. Ruger, Winchester, Remington, CZ, etc. I would not assume any of them function without flaw until I had fired at least a few hundred rounds through them and tried to MAKE them fail. If you can induce a failure without doing bizarre stuff, it probably will fail when you need it most. Just my opinion.
I hope ths is helpful and happy hunting!
 
All of the PH's I have hunted with have been excellent riflemen. Some not ballistic experts, but handy with the rifle...even excellent. The same wasn't always true with the shotgun. One PH I have hunted with...and an excellent leopard man..was mauled by a wounded cat he had followed with his 12 ga.....A Benelli pump with 30" bbl and fixed full choke. His load, a cheap Eastern European load of SSG. Bullet technology has improved greatly in the last few years. So has the tech for slugs and buckshot. I tested dozens of loads last year for a hunt in grizzly country. The performance was so very different from the loads of my youth. If you haven't looked at slugs and buckshot lately, it is a fun topic to review on the net. Anyone choosing a shotgun to follow up a wounded animal would do well to learn what is new. Flesh and blood hasn't changed, but the shotgun has. There are killer loads suitable for almost any living creature...........but if you short-cycle the gun in your haste, well, that may still cause problems............FWB
 
Wow is right! This could have been far worse. Lucky for all (except the leopard).
 

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