Tipping Guide

@firehuntfish, I am used to live and travel in third world countries, no issue for me.

Understood, and good for you...! The vast majority of safari clients are not as well-traveled as you, so a service like this in a great option for most of them... Just curious, how long does it take for you on average to clear SAPS with your rifles in Jo'burg on your own and without "tipping"?
 
I always travel with other hunters, so for all of us it does take some time. But I can´t give a precise answer. Anyway, who cares, the moment I land, I´m on "Africa time" :ROFLMAO:
 
I should clarify, I do use an import Service to bring guns into Joberg, but flying back out, say to Port Elizabeth, the cops usually request a "tip" to make sure my gun case gets on the right plane safely.
 
I should clarify, I do use an import Service to bring guns into Joberg, but flying back out, say to Port Elizabeth, the cops usually request a "tip" to make sure my gun case gets on the right plane safely.
I had the same experience flying from Joburg to East London, it was basically extortion!
 
Good article on tipping, helps newbies a lot. That said, wage for most South African staff working on a Safari is 150 Rand per day, or just over $10 U.S. This is also the wage most workers in lesser jobs earn in S.A. so Safari workers are not underpaid by local standards.

Most day rates on Plains Game hunts run from $400 to 500 U.S. dollars a day. That will easily pay the PH a very good income, cover vehicle, gas , food, drink and the full salary of 20 staff. A 1/1 or 2/1 hunts based out of camps usually have one maid/laundry person, a couple of Skinners, one tracker/driver and a cook. So at most maybe 5-8 people besides the PH. From what I learned talking to the various farm owners and PHs, the trophy fees have 70- 100% markup from cost so the more animals you shoot the happier the Outfitter is. All in, between day fees and trophy fees, the PH and outfitter are making a decent to good living.

To be tipping the workers 50-100% of their base salary, and the PH in the ball park of 50% of his base salary is excessive in my opinion. Wages are much lower in South Africa and so is the cost of living. Imposing North American wage levels and cost structures on South African workers does not seem productive to me.

If the workers need to be paid more, raise the day rate and pay them better. It should not be up to me as the client to create equitable pay and treatment in someone else's work force. The tip I leave should be strictly for EXCEPTIONAL effort and attitude, not a way to level out low pay!
 
Good article on tipping, helps newbies a lot. That said, wage for most South African staff working on a Safari is 150 Rand per day, or just over $10 U.S. This is also the wage most workers in lesser jobs earn in S.A. so Safari workers are not underpaid by local standards.

Most day rates on Plains Game hunts run from $400 to 500 U.S. dollars a day. That will easily pay the PH a very good income, cover vehicle, gas , food, drink and the full salary of 20 staff. A 1/1 or 2/1 hunts based out of camps usually have one maid/laundry person, a couple of Skinners, one tracker/driver and a cook. So at most maybe 5-8 people besides the PH. From what I learned talking to the various farm owners and PHs, the trophy fees have 70- 100% markup from cost so the more animals you shoot the happier the Outfitter is. All in, between day fees and trophy fees, the PH and outfitter are making a decent to good living.

To be tipping the workers 50-100% of their base salary, and the PH in the ball park of 50% of his base salary is excessive in my opinion. Wages are much lower in South Africa and so is the cost of living. Imposing North American wage levels and cost structures on South African workers does not seem productive to me.

If the workers need to be paid more, raise the day rate and pay them better. It should not be up to me as the client to create equitable pay and treatment in someone else's work force. The tip I leave should be strictly for EXCEPTIONAL effort and attitude, not a way to level out low pay!
@Dean2, I won't argue with much of what you say; I too agree that hunters should not be expected to "level out" low pay.

I do think, though, your comments of a "very good income" for the PH and "the PH and outfitter make a decent to good living" bear a bit more examination.

Let's take the lower end of your range of day rate (because I think it's more generally representative). So start at $400/day (some advertise free day rate!). The booking agent will generally take 15% of that, so $60/day. We are down to $360. The PH will generally (and there are lots of exceptions to this) be paid around $100/day, and for that he is expected to supply his own vehicle. That takes the outfitter down to $260/day. Out of that amount, the outfitter has to pay his staff - which will generally include a cook (the best paid), laundry/cleaning, a pair of skinners, likely two trackers or one tracker and a driver and assorted others. Let's take 8 people, as you suggest (and note, this is camp people - it does not include the workers who actually maintain the hunting area, although there is likely some overlap where there is no hunting). If we take your $10/day as the average (and that is low for cooks certainly), we get to $80/day for staff, most or all of whom will be paid whether or not there is a hunter in camp. We are now down to $160/day for the outfitter, out of which he has to pay both his variable costs (food, liquor, fuel (including for vehicles, the camp, to run pumps keeping water holes full, etc.), electricity, internet, benefits for staff (health care often, uniforms, food) etc.) as well as his fixed costs - the maintenance of the camp and property, as well as the depreciation on the fixed assets, including the cost of the camp. He also may have to pay debt service costs on the land. In drought years (and there have been many recently in South Africa) he may have to pay for supplemental feed for the game as well as vet bills for some of the more valuable game). I'm sure others can point out costs I have missed. Note that in this analysis I've assumed that by "outfitter" you mean the person who owns the land and runs the camp - things are quite different if that is not the case, as it often isn't in South Africa.

Overall, unless the hunter is shooting lots of game, which the outfitter has raised himself, there may not be much profit in this for the outfitter. Those best able to deal with this situation are those whose land is already paid for, but this implies they are not entitled to a return on that land.

As for the PH, hunting is a pretty inconsistent type of business for most of them. First, it's pretty much a June-September kind of thing, but even if you add a month either side, you're looking at a 6 month/year job. If the PH works every day of that time, which is highly unlikely, he will make $18,000, out of which he will pay for his vehicle and his fuel to and from camp. He might get his food paid for, but the liquor he drinks to accompany the hunter at night will likely be charged back to him, and he likely has to maintain a home for his family. He likely has a job for the off-season, but its hard to keep a well-paying job when you're gone for half the year.

Now the other side of the equation. You point out that the cost of living in South Africa is low. Of course, there is no arguing with this if you are comparing North American living standards with those of rural blacks in South Africa. But if you are comparing the cost of living of North Americans to white South Africans, I suggest you will find enough puts and takes that while your statement may nevertheless still be true, it's not as big a gap as you might think. Vehicles, western-style homes, private school for the kids (almost essential), food that does not consist mostly of sadza, all have a price that may not be far off North American prices and in some cases (especially vehicles, and fuel) may exceed North American prices (if only because of heavy government taxation).

Overall, I'd be surprised if many South African outfitters or professional hunters are making a good living from the hunting business. It might have been good at times - when roan and sable were very expensive for example (but only if the outfitter wasn't buying them), but it's about as boom and bust a business as agriculture is in North America. Most do it because they love it, not because they make a great living at it. In both places.

None of this is to suggest that hunters should be making up for a bad business model, so to that extent we are on the same page. I just think that hunters should treat those who help with their hunts "fairly."
 
Here is my take on tipping on a safari for what its worth. I went on my first safari this year. Being from Texas and having been involved in hunting business here both as hunter and guide, I budgeted for a 7 day safari what I would have tipped if I were on a hunt here in my home state. When I got close to my last day hunting I talked with PH about how tipping should be done and amounts. He told me I was over tipping and to cut amounts in half. So in thought if you think you are tipping to much or not enough it all depends on what geographic area of the states you are in as to what is normal. All I can say is for the service I was provided I thought I didnt tip enough compared to what is customary here.
 
This is very intersting subject.

I have one question:

Have any of you guys been hunting in Europe, and made any tipping there?
If yes, which country and how much?
 
Here is my take on tipping on a safari for what its worth. I went on my first safari this year. Being from Texas and having been involved in hunting business here both as hunter and guide, I budgeted for a 7 day safari what I would have tipped if I were on a hunt here in my home state. When I got close to my last day hunting I talked with PH about how tipping should be done and amounts. He told me I was over tipping and to cut amounts in half. So in thought if you think you are tipping to much or not enough it all depends on what geographic area of the states you are in as to what is normal. All I can say is for the service I was provided I thought I didnt tip enough compared to what is customary here.

Hi @Mark Biggerstaff. If you don't mind my asking, what are you referencing in terms of dollars? What did you anticipate in tipping that your PH suggest you reduct by a factor of two?
 
This is very intersting subject.

I have one question:

Have any of you guys been hunting in Europe, and made any tipping there?
If yes, which country and how much?
That is two questions. (y) But yes and yes. I have recently returned from Spain where I took a superb boar and Gredos Ibex. There, I was accompanied by my outfitter's rep and two "game keepers" from the respective area we hunted. For ibex we were accompanied by two park service employees. For wild boar we hunted a private ranch, and were accompanied by two game keepers in the employ of the lease holder. Neither the park service employees nor the two lease holder employees are getting rich - particularly with Spain's economy. My outfitter had suggested that 150 Euro (170 USD) a piece was about right per day totaling a 300 Euro tip each day. That is three times more a day than I would tip on a typical 10-day PG hunt, but then again, total hunt costs were about the same and we hunted (very successfully) only two days. Thus, total tips against the hunt investment were actually a bit less than an equivalent African hunt investment. (I should note, those of you who do any big game fishing also tip against total charter cost regardless of the length of the charter). I also tipped the young man who represented the outfitter and accompanied us on the hunt. He acted as hunt manager/ coordinator and tour guide/driver for the day we did not hunt (we were successful on the second day of the hunt and did not need day three).
 
Hank2211

I did not mean to imply that anyone is getting rich in the hunt business in SA. Even with 6 to 10 hunters in camp at a time, basing an Outfitters profit model on one day rate is a bit distorting as multiple hunters don't multiply the number of staff in direct proportion, they won't get rich. I also get what you are saying that the PH, even earning 10 times the amount the others earn, is not getting rich, and my apologies if my wording was unclear.

I used to guide hunting and fishing here in Canada many years ago and the outfitter and guides were not getting rich here either, but you could earn a reasonable income for the months you did it. Paid at least as well as a lot of other manual labour type jobs. The Outfitter could make pretty good money with a full camp, for basically 3 months work. Both guiding and outfitting did NOT pay anywhere near what I earned later in life with a degree in a professional role and I would not be able to afford to hunt Africa if my whole career had been as a hunting and fishing guide. It was a lot of fun though.

All that said, if I pay the outfitter his going day rate and trophy fees I have met my contracted obligations. Tipping trackers/drivers $10 a day, or 100% of their base income, is applying North American pricing. Here in Canada the min wage is $15 an hour, not $10 a day, but even at $15 an hour you aren't anywhere near well off, you are earning subsistence wages.

I doubt we will ever completely resolve the whole tipping topic, I was merely trying to provide some perspective, in hard dollar numbers, with respect to the earnings of various SA hunt staff. I was trying to balance what many feel is unreasonably low tips that are in reality very generous by local measures.
 
I have one question:
Have any of you guys been hunting in Europe, and made any tipping there?
If yes, which country and how much?

In this countrys tipping is not part of the livestyle.
You can do it, it is kowning that the american-people do it, but it is not expected.
The employees are paid by the chief of the company.
I have hunted all over europe and I take them out (after) for an beer or an dinner and erybody is happy.

Tipping the park Service man
Please, dont do this!!
This is forbitten by law.
(For both sides, the "giver" and the "taker". The "giver" will get the higher penalty in most cases also."
These are "offical government people", you can go up to 4 years in prison if you do this.
Exspacialy if you come with firearms to spain, they will be confiscated also, if you "bring coruption".
 
I have one question:
Have any of you guys been hunting in Europe, and made any tipping there?
If yes, which country and how much?

In this countrys tipping is not part of the livestyle.
You can do it, it is kowning that the american-people do it, but it is not expected.
The employees are paid by the chief of the company.
I have hunted all over europe and I take them out (after) for an beer or an dinner and erybody is happy.

Tipping the park Service man
Please, dont do this!!
This is forbitten by law.
(For both sides, the "giver" and the "taker". The "giver" will get the higher penalty in most cases also."
These are "offical government people", you can go up to 4 years in prison if you do this.
Exspacialy if you come with firearms to spain, they will be confiscated also, if you "bring coruption".
I have no doubt that you may believe that you are technically correct. However, I know of no outfitter in Spain that doesn't recommend a tip to game keepers - whether private hire or national park service (most of whom or actually sub-contracted by the government.) That said, I clearly don't know every outfitter in Spain, but I do know several and all would suggest a tip in the general amounts that I listed. All that said, you should feel free to merely buy them a beer.
 
Hank2211

I did not mean to imply that anyone is getting rich in the hunt business in SA. Even with 6 to 10 hunters in camp at a time, basing an Outfitters profit model on one day rate is a bit distorting as multiple hunters don't multiply the number of staff in direct proportion, they won't get rich. I also get what you are saying that the PH, even earning 10 times the amount the others earn, is not getting rich, and my apologies if my wording was unclear.

I used to guide hunting and fishing here in Canada many years ago and the outfitter and guides were not getting rich here either, but you could earn a reasonable income for the months you did it. Paid at least as well as a lot of other manual labour type jobs. The Outfitter could make pretty good money with a full camp, for basically 3 months work. Both guiding and outfitting did NOT pay anywhere near what I earned later in life with a degree in a professional role and I would not be able to afford to hunt Africa if my whole career had been as a hunting and fishing guide. It was a lot of fun though.

All that said, if I pay the outfitter his going day rate and trophy fees I have met my contracted obligations. Tipping trackers/drivers $10 a day, or 100% of their base income, is applying North American pricing. Here in Canada the min wage is $15 an hour, not $10 a day, but even at $15 an hour you aren't anywhere near well off, you are earning subsistence wages.

I doubt we will ever completely resolve the whole tipping topic, I was merely trying to provide some perspective, in hard dollar numbers, with respect to the earnings of various SA hunt staff. I was trying to balance what many feel is unreasonably low tips that are in reality very generous by local measures.
I take your point if there are many hunters in camp at the same time. For whatever reason, that has not been my experience. My last number of hunts, I have been the only hunter in the camp. Could be my personality, or maybe just the places I go. Most recently, in the Bubye Valley Conservancy, there were about 7 people to take care of one hunter - me (and his wife in this case).

I should also add that in Canada, unlike in South Africa (though there are exceptions), the outfitter has generally not made any investment in the land, whereas in South Africa, the outfitter often owns the land or has to pay someone who does own it for access. And the best camp I've been in in Canada doesn't even come close to a middling camp in South Africa . . .
 
Tipping game keepers $170 dollars a day seems like payment not a tip. I live in the Rocky mountains of Idaho and work as a ASE certified Master Auto Technician and my wages for 8 hours amount to about $170. I would never think that doubling my wage was a tip, so it seems on the surface that they are making decent wages just from the tip besides their wage from their employer.
 
I have no doubt that you may believe that you are technically correct. However, I know of no outfitter in Spain that doesn't recommend a tip to game keepers - whether private hire or national park service (most of whom or actually sub-contracted by the government.) That said, I clearly don't know every outfitter in Spain, but I do know several and all would suggest a tip in the general amounts that I listed. All that said, you should feel free to merely buy them a beer.

I believe (that is an personal reason) that you have payed them an income, an salary with 150 euros per day.
This is not an tipp.
(I live on that continent and I was two times in 2017 hunting in spain.)
But this is up to you.

I know (that is an offical statement) that it is against the law to give money (or to tipp as you say) park game wardens.
They are offical government people, they have police authority in that area.
That is an national crime.
Sorry Sir, we are not in "wild africa", we are in "the middel of europe". We have law and order here.
You will come in prison for that for sure and your equipment and guns, pp. will be confiscated (and later on yours costs distroyed).

 
Australia has no tipping culture (except hipster urban cafes in melbourne where staff are already paid $25/hr).

But because of the American interest in hunting, aussie guides generally always suggest tipping. That wouldn't make things the norm here though.
 
We are not so strict in Spain about tipping game wardens. We do tip them, but certainly not at the rate of 150€ a day, considering they are being paid 1.500/2.000 € per month.

Please nobody take offense, but 150€ per day must be the "American" rate. Somehow it seems that US citizens are expected to tip more than anybody else.
 
Sorry Sir, we are not in "wild africa", we are in "the middel of europe".

I am from Europe, and this is the reason why I asked.

Generally, I do not tip in hunting.
(in my country of Croatia at least, i do not tip, with exeption of good, higher class restaurants, where 10% tip is considered a gentlemans gesture, as well as few coins to leave on table in coffe bar for some nice looking waitress )

But also I understand that in entire Europe, not all the countries are the same.
Local cultures are different.
Local history is diferent and average economic standard is diferent.
So, there could be differences from place to place.

But, anyway, generally - no tipping in EU.
At least in former "western european countries" no tipping,
In East Europe, this has to be checked in advance.
 

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