Posting photos of dead wild animals could be illegal soon

Dear Minister Shifeta,

I am flabbergasted at the contention stated in your memo dated July 3 2018, that posting an image of a legally hunted trophy is unethical.

I can only conclude that you are quite confused about the nature of what constitutes unethical behavior.

Please read the Namibian Constitution and review your actions in context of section 21(1). If your confusion persists, please obtain a professional legal opinion, after which I am certain that you will be redirected to address your efforts toward curbing your own immoral and illegal actions.

My best wishes in your ethics education.
Excellent @BRICKBURN! Here are people from MET that can be emailed.

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Namibia - Ministry of Environment and Tourism

Minister - Hon. Pohamba Shifeta
pshifeta@met.na

Personal Assistant - Ms. Meriam Tjaimi
meriam.tjaimi@met.gov.na

Deputy Minister - Hon. Bernadette Jagger
dmsecretary@met.na

Personal Assistant to the Deputy Minister - Mr. Tonateni Shidhudhu
tonateni.shidhudhu@met.gov.na

Permanent Secretary - Dr. Malan Lindique
ps.secretary@met.gov.na

Personal Assistant - Ms. Lourencia Himumuine
lourencia.himumuine@met.gov.na

Vitalis Mushongo
vitalis.mushongo@met.gov.na

Colgar Sikopo
colgar.sikopo@met.gov.na

Mukono Kamwi
mukono.kamwi@met.gov.na

Elly Hamunyela
elly.hamunyela@met.gov.na

Greenwell Matongo
greenwell.matongo@met.gov.na

Fabiola Katamila
fabiola.katamila@met.gov.na
 

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i guess all the outfitters in Namibia will have to take all their pictures down from this site and others of the animals taken along with the grinning hunters. all the pictures that they use to try and get hunters there to take the biggest and best animals they have to offer.
 
I don't think hunting forums (or any forums) qualify as social media, nor do the websites of outfitters.
 
i think they are. still showing the same pictures of shot-bloodied and grinning hunters.
 
I don't think hunting forums (or any forums) qualify as social media, nor do the websites of outfitters.

Like it or not, AH is 100% social media. Definition of social media below.


Social media are computer-mediated technologies that facilitate the creation and sharing of information, ideas, career interests and other forms of expression via virtual communities and networks. The variety of stand-alone and built-in social media services currently available introduces challenges of definition; however, there are some common features:
  1. Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications.[1][2]
  2. User-generated content, such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online interactions, is the lifeblood of social media.[1][2]
  3. Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization.[1][3]
  4. Social media facilitate the development of online social networks by connecting a user's profile with those of other individuals or groups.[1][3]
Outfitter websites I agree likely aren't social media, unless someone has a fancy interactive one as outlined above.
 
"Trust no man with too much government power," wrote Jefferson. "(B)ind them with the chains of the Constitution."

This is the perfect debate to have on the very day that the United States celebrates the signing of our Declaration of Independence. We so often take for granted the freedoms and liberty we have that are found nowhere else on planet earth.

Today in Europe people are imprisoned for “hate-crimes” merely for publicly posting political opinions that their governments disagreed with.

Freedom of expression is a natural right to the human condition. You loose your rights whenever you roll over and allow any government to tell you what your allowed say in public. The internet opened freedom of speech to everyone. Governments from China to Canada have been trying to stop it ever since. Social Media is already censoring subjects that the masters of the universe want to abolish… one needs only look to the assaults on our Second Amendment freedoms.
 
Napha supports planned ban on hunting photos

Human rights attorney: Issue more complex

Ronelle Rademeyer

The Namibia Professional Hunting Association (Napha) is in favor of the planned legislative amendment that will prohibit photos on hunters with their prey prints, put on social media.

Me. Danne van der Westhuyzen, president of Napha, said on inquiry they welcome the Minister of Environment and Tourism, Mr. Pohamba Shifeta, announcement of the ban on prohibition.

"The minister really wants to protect the hunting industry," she responded.

Shifeta had earlier this week during the launch of the revised policy about the management of human-animal conflict said the placement of such pictures will to be banned soon.

He said the ministry was working on the Nature Conservation Ordinance, no. 4 of 1975. Offenders who placed them on such photos guilty will be punished.

According to him, all those who violate will be prosecuted, "especially those with hunting - permits that boast by posting photos of dead animals to social media after hunted them in conservation areas, "according to a report Nampa.

Van der Westhuyzen says Napha's position has always been about the experience of hunting in Namibia and emphasizing the experience of the country. "To pull the trigger is one percent of the hunting experience. The photo and trophy that the
hunting home is a personal reminder of the experience he had in our country. We encourage our members to make sure that those photos are kept private and not on social media. "

According to her, hunting pictures generate negative emotions in humans and create global opposition to the hunting industry. "People out there
do not understand the value of our wildlife and why trophy hunting is such a big asset to the country, "she said.

Van der Westhuyzen also thinks too many hunters are looking forward and want to boast with the sizes of horns. "The Namibian hunting industry want to bring the message home that the real animal is the one who can not contribute more productively to the improvement of a herd. It's not about the measures. "

Shifeta pointed out the placement of these pictures is a misrepresentation of what hunting in Namibia entails. "I'm through the Namibian constitution legally However, it is immoral to place such pictures. People can take the pictures for themselves, but not to putting it on social media, "he said.

A human rights attorney who spoke Republican agrees that the pictures are "horrible and loathing".

Mr. Norman Tjombe believe however the issue is much more complex than that "To allow hunting but to ban the photographs, doesn't agree. The minister's intention makes sense, but it is not that simple.

"The hunting of animals as a sport is already problematic and is becoming more and more as the numbers of rare animals are less as well as illegal trade in horns and skins, "says Tjombe.



The original version in Afrikaans below:

Napha steun beplande verbod op jagfoto's

Menseregteprokureur: Kwessie meer kompleks Ronelle Rademeyer Die Namibië Professionele Jagvereniging (Napha) is ten gunste van die beplande wetswysiging wat dit verbode sal maak om foto's waarop jagters met hul prooi pryk, op sosiale media te plaas.

Me. Danene van der Westhuyzen, president van Napha, het by navraag gesê hulle verwelkom die minister van die omgewing en toerisme, mnr. Pohamba Shifeta, se aankondiging oor die voorgenome verbod.

“Die minister wil hiermee juis die jagbedryf beskerm,” was haar reaksie.

Shifeta het vroeër die week tydens die bekendstelling van die hersiene beleid oor die bestuur van mens-dier-konflik gesê die plasing van sulke foto's sal binnekort verbode wees.

Hy het gesê die ministerie is besig om die Natuurbewaringsordonnasie, nr. 4 van 1975, te wysig. Oortreders wat hulle aan die plasing van sulke foto's skuldig maak, sal gestraf word.

Volgens hom sal almal wat oortree, vervolg word, “veral diegene met jag - permitte wat spog deur foto's van dooie diere op sosiale media te plaas nadat hulle in bewaringsgebiede gejag het”, was sy woorde volgens 'n berig deur Nampa.

Van der Westhuyzen sê Napha se standpunt was nog altyd om die ervaring van jag in Namibië en die belewing van die land te beklemtoon. “Om die sneller te trek, is een persent van die jagervaring. Die foto en trofee wat die jagter huis toe neem, is 'n persoonlike herinnering aan die ondervinding wat hy in ons land gehad het. Ons moedig ons lede aan om seker te maak daardie foto's word privaat te hou en nie op sosiale media geplaas nie.”

Volgens haar ontlok jagfoto's negatiewe emosies by mense en skep wêreldwye teenkantig teen die jagbedryf. “Mense daar buite verstaan nie die waarde van ons wildlewe en waarom trofeejag so groot bate vir die land is nie,” sê sy.

Van der Westhuyzen meen ook te veel jagters jaag mates na en wil met die groottes van horings spog. “Die Namibiese jagbedryf wil die boodskap tuisbring dat die regte dier dié een is wat nie meer produktief tot die verbetering van 'n kudde kan bydrae nie. Dit gaan nie oor die mates nie.”

Shifeta het daarop gewys die plasing van hierdie foto's is 'n wanvoorstelling van wat jag in Namibië behels. “Jag word deur die Namibiese grondwet gewettig. Dit is egter immoreel om sulke foto's te plaas. Mense kan die foto's vir hulself neem, maar nie om dit op sosiale media te plaas nie,” het hy gesê.

'n Menseregteprokureur met wie Republikein gepraat het, stem saam dat die foto's “afskuwelik is en weersin wek”.

Mnr. Norman Tjombe meen eger die kwessie is veel meer kompleks as dit. “Om jag toe te laat, maar die foto's daarvan te verbied, strook nie. Die minister se bedoeling hiermee maak sin, maar dit is nie so eenvoudig nie.

“Die jag van diere as 'n sport is reeds problematies en gaan toenemend meer so raak namate die getalle van skaars diere minder word, asook weens die onwettige handel in onder meer horings en velle,” sê Tjombe



Source: https://www.republikein.com.na/nuus/napha-steun-beplande-verbod-op-jagfotos2018-07-04/
 
they sure want your money, but no putting pictures on any media sites. just plan your hunts in another country and their are many who will welcome you and your money. i,m sure the pouchers will honor the law about no pictures.
 
I guess publications like the African Hunting Gazette and African Outfitter etc will have to find material from other countries now?
What about the magazine of NAPHA, HuntiNamibia, how will they publish a hunting magazine if photos from the country they represent are not allowed?

So many questions.......

That’s what is so confusing. Print magazines is ok but a hunting forum is not? They didn’t think this through in my opinion. The goal was to get pics off FB or other open platforms.
Philip
 
Sounds like they are on the path to no hunting and ashamed of hunting . But we will take your money but don't tell anyone cause we don't want anyone to know what we do that here. NApha better do some close looking at what they are supporting here. I don't have to post pic of my hunts but I will not hide what I do. I believe in what I do . I will fight to the end . If Namibia follows through with such lunacy I will never return hunting. It was going to be my hunt in 2020 . Hmmmm will rethink it .
 
It's just one more thing that the minority (hunters) have to bend over and take.
When will we be able to enjoy our passion without fear of upsetting people we don't know or even care about?
Why is a country that is so pro hunting so keen to hide hunting from the liberals and antis and ARAs?
Why not take a stand against the snowflakes and put more of a message out there that hunting benefits the community and wildlife instead of requesting hunters to come over, enjoy your hunting but please, please don't tell anyone.
What punishment or sanctions will I face if I go to Namibia, return home when my permit has expired and then post images of my hunting?
Has there been any further information about what consequences a hunter will face if they post prohibited images?
What about the images I have already posted?
Surely they can't ban every hunter from returning?
That will be pressing a self destruct button and cutting off revenue.
 
I wonder if this dictum will also include photos of fishermen posing with their catch? And while we're on the subject - and extrapolating to the nth degree - how about the (hypocritical) everyday commercial advertising of meat and fish products?
 
From Merriam-webster's: Definition of social media. : forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content (such as videos).
 
@VonJager, the same thing occurred to me when I saw @Royal27's post.

If not posting pictures is a condition of the hunting permit, even what lawyers like to call a "condition subsequent", it is possible - even probable - that breaching a condition of a hunting permit makes the hunt illegal. For example, if the permit says no hunting at night for leopard (as Namibian leopard permits do), and you take the leopard at night, that was (and is) an illegal hunt. And if the hunt is illegal, then I believe the Lacey Act would apply (although that's not a legal opinion). Certainly, if you brought the leopard back to the US and the US was or became aware of the violation of the permit, you would likely be a felon waiting to be convicted.

An interesting take on this though is that since the Lacey Act only applies to bringing animal bits into the US or across state lines, if you bring the bits home before you violate the permit, or if you are bringing nothing home, is there still a violation? If you bring nothing back, then on its face the Lacey Act would not apply. But if you bring something back and the hunt is subsequently made illegal because of a breach of the hunting conditions, then you might be. How about a few years later when you retire to Florida and bring your wall-mounted pals with you?

Interesting stuff.

And I still can't get excited about it.


It has been awhile since I was (somewhat) familiar with the Lacey Act, but hasn't it evolved from the transportation of qualified items across American borders to breaking a law within a foreign country? If so, does a hunting report from Namibia that shows photos of an animal shot on a hunting trip that is posted on AH now become a Lacey Act violation?

Unless there was a published opinion from USFW, DOI, DOJ, (don't hold your breath), then Namibia may be cutting down on the number of American hunters who are willing to submit to their new law.

Also, if Namibia is now dictating their "ethics" to me, my choice may be not to hunt in Namibia.

I may not be concerned about enforcement with the current administration, but there is no way I would subject myself to a Lacey Act violation with the Obama administration, or what could have been a Hillary administration.
 
It's just one more thing that the minority (hunters) have to bend over and take.
When will we be able to enjoy our passion without fear of upsetting people we don't know or even care about?
Why is a country that is so pro hunting so keen to hide hunting from the liberals and antis and ARAs?
Why not take a stand against the snowflakes and put more of a message out there that hunting benefits the community and wildlife instead of requesting hunters to come over, enjoy your hunting but please, please don't tell anyone.
What punishment or sanctions will I face if I go to Namibia, return home when my permit has expired and then post images of my hunting?
Has there been any further information about what consequences a hunter will face if they post prohibited images?
What about the images I have already posted?
Surely they can't ban every hunter from returning?
That will be pressing a self destruct button and cutting off revenue.



The more I think about your question , why would a pro hunt country want to be hiding hunting ?

Uhhm they have bought the anti hunters BS that hunting for any reason other than personal meat hunting is a bad thing.
Shifeta above CLAIMS picture of animals immoral other than personal use.
IMMORAL-------- please total anti hunting stance in my opion.
Pictures horrible and loathing another anti hunter stance
 
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I also find it interesting that NAPHA hasn't put out a public statement paper as of yet. By this time they had already written a paper condemning PHASA and CBL after all, so why not a letter on their own issue? Will just hiding now be there new position on everything? CBL is OK, as long as you hide it? All hunting is OK, as long as you hide it?

I still don't think this is that big of a deal overall, but the lack of leadership/communication from NAPHA does concern me a bit. It would be great to get NAPHA to discuss the thought process behind their decision here, like PHASA did, but I won't hold my breath.

I'm sure there is still much to come here and I'll also be curious to see what DSC and SCI have to say about this in the coming weeks.
 
This has been brewing for a while now, probably going on a year or so? The more I see and hear from Minister Shifeta / MET, Daneen van der Westhuizen / NAPHA the more I believe they are utter morons. This will NOT have a positive net effect on hunting and tourism in Namibia.
I have no desire to collaborate with people who are willing to step on citizens constitutional rights, or are too weak and short sighted to fight to the death for their own. If this goes into effect, bye bye Namibia...
 
"Trust no man with too much government power," wrote Jefferson. "(B)ind them with the chains of the Constitution."

This is the perfect debate to have on the very day that the United States celebrates the signing of our Declaration of Independence. We so often take for granted the freedoms and liberty we have that are found nowhere else on planet earth.

Today in Europe people are imprisoned for “hate-crimes” merely for publicly posting political opinions that their governments disagreed with.

Freedom of expression is a natural right to the human condition. You loose your rights whenever you roll over and allow any government to tell you what your allowed say in public. The internet opened freedom of speech to everyone. Governments from China to Canada have been trying to stop it ever since. Social Media is already censoring subjects that the masters of the universe want to abolish… one needs only look to the assaults on our Second Amendment freedoms.
Seriously? China and Canada in the same sentence?

You do realize, I assume, that there are restrictions on free speech in the US? I'm happy to provide the legal lesson if you need your memory jogged.

Canada and the US both restrict certain forms of speech, yet you seem to have decided that US restrictions are part of the "natural human condition" while Canadian restrictions are not. On what basis do you make that distinction? I looked for it throughout the natural law and couldn't find it, so happy to be directed to the right place.

Different countries can approach the same issues differently, without one being wrong, or worse, or better, etc. That's one of the great things about traveling. But if you'd rather go to Africa (or Canada for that matter) and point out all of the ways in which it isn't like the US, and let everyone know how the US does everything better, then you'll miss out on some great experiences and the friends you might have made. Your choice.

I'm not sure we need to be bashing each other's countries on this forum. I'm happy to acknowledge that my country (Canada, if it wasn't as obvious as is the greatness of your country) has issues. You might consider doing the same. I could point out lots of ways in which the US is the best at things no one wants to be the best at, but I'm not sure what would be gained by that. Again, though, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.
 
they sure want your money, but no putting pictures on any media sites. just plan your hunts in another country and their are many who will welcome you and your money. i,m sure the pouchers will honor the law about no pictures.
You can't legally bring home elephant, brown hyena, lion, leopard and other trophies from various countries and you're going to give Namibia lectures on snowflakes?

In southern Michigan you can only hunt deer with a .35-caliber or larger rifle, but only so as long as it uses a straight-walled cartridge. Huh?

I think in the dumb law sweepstakes, one place isn't a whole lot better or worse than any other.
 

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