So They Want A Lock In Each Hole?

Would a cable lock work running it through each "hole" (similar to those used in gun displays) or does it have to be separate locks?
Yes and I use a cable type TSA master lock that has worked well. Regular TSA locks seem to come off all the time!
Philip
 
Hadn't read this before I went, but I flew Delta from DFW to Atlanta to Joberg on August 1st with just two locks on a case with 4 holes. No problems and no one questioned it, going or coming back. Lucky maybe??
Nothing is consistent with TSA except that they are not consistent!
 
I was waiting outside check-in, in case they needed me, and they cut the locks anyway. More fun that way I guess.
Wow. Where was that? I have had cases opened in Charleston, SC; Dulles Intl (many times); Austin, TX; DFW; Houston; Vancouver, BC (Customs done on the Canadian side); Minneapolis; and probably several others. In every instance it was either done in front of me or they came out and requested the key. Never had one cut. And I have never used TSA locks on a gun case.
 
Nothing is consistent with TSA except that they are not consistent!
I travel a fair bit, and I find the inconsistency of security to be extremely frustrating.

Having said that, I am told by (some of ) those who are in a position to know that inconsistency is built into the system and is part of the security process. Predictability is problematic from a security perspective!
 
Wow. Where was that? I have had cases opened in Charleston, SC; Dulles Intl (many times); Austin, TX; DFW; Houston; Vancouver, BC (Customs done on the Canadian side); Minneapolis; and probably several others. In every instance it was either done in front of me or they came out and requested the key. Never had one cut. And I have never used TSA locks on a gun case.
They routinely cut locks. Always take spares!
 
Doesn't work that way. Sorry. They will cut them if they can't get in to them. I just had one lock lost and one damaged on arrival in JNB. They definitely opened them out of my presence before leaving USA.
Maybe just bring lots of locks what ever kind you prefer!
Philip



If you read the tsa website it clearly states tsa lock are not to be used on fire arms
 
On my last trip to SA in September 2017, there wasn’t a problem with the gun case as mine is one lock on a locking rod which secures all four lathes. However I got a call on my cell phone from TSA in Boston as they couldn’t X-ray the ammo case or that they couldn’t determine what was in there. I asked was he going to there when the case was opened and then closed to make sure nothing came up missing, he said he was so I gave him the combo to the lock. When I got to the camp in SA everything was as it should be.
 
Thanks the heads up @Philip Glass, I was not aware of this. Appreciate you sharing a great fix! (y)


Nothing noted on the TSA website but I would still comply just to be on my way: Transporting Firearms and Ammunition: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition.


Here below a press release from Safari Club International (SCI)

Traveling with firearms? Fill the holes with locks!
Feb 28, 2017
Traveling with sporting firearms isn’t getting easier. Part of that could be intentional, but part of the problem is that many ticket agents aren’t sure of the rules and sometimes the folks enforcing the rules, from TSA to Customs officers, also aren’t always sure of their own rules.

Some time back, coming into the U.S. in Newark, Donna got a Customs agent who absolutely insisted she needed to show her “firearms registration” paperwork. The guy simply wasn’t willing to accept that we don’t have firearms registration across the United States. It took a supervisor and a mad dash to the plane to sort it out. Obviously, it’s a really bad idea to argue with these folks, but it helps a lot if you know the rules.

When checking in for a flight, I lead with my chin. It’s almost a litany: “I have sporting firearms in this case…I have ammunition in this bag…less than five kilograms (11 pounds)…in original factory container (whew)!” That usually gets things off on a good footing. In the U.S., airlines generally want ammo to be separate from the firearms—even though TSA’s rules say it can be together—but can be in checked baggage (original factory containers; less than 11 pounds).

It’s a bit different overseas. In Europe and South Africa, for instance, the ammo generally needs to be in its own separate locked container, and in Europe you can expect to pay a separate fee for your gun case. Today I always put my ammunition in a lockable container in my duffel—I use a plastic box with a hasp. I have a lock and key inside it, but I don’t lock it unless asked to. I used to, but after several locks got cut during inspection, I got the message.

Exactly what locks should be used is open to debate. I’ve tried the “TSA” locks, but they seem flimsy and, in any case, TSA doesn’t always have the keys and these locks are not (yet) required. I use padlocks with keys, others use combinations, and every airport has a different protocol. Sometimes the ticket agent escorts you to TSA, sometimes you take it yourself, sometimes it goes down the chute and you wait around for a few minutes in case they need keys or combinations to look inside. Just don’t walk away until you’re sure it’s cleared!

Although we don’t have general firearms registration in this country, there is one little piece of paper that is absolutely essential when taking firearms out of (and back into) the U.S. It’s our U.S. Customs Form 4457. This is an amazingly useless (and useful) piece of paper. It’s the same form really organized people use to record valuable items such as camera and jewelry that they’re taking out of the country to prove they had it when they left and thus avoid paying duty upon return. Record is the proper word, not register, because U.S. Customs keeps no record of this document. It takes about three minutes to get one at any Customs office (just bring the firearms in unloaded and cased). I’m about three hours from the nearest U.S. Customs office so I’ve blustered my way through without a 4457 many times. Theoretically a bill of sale will suffice, but I don’t do that anymore! These days we are routinely expected to produce it when coming back through. Though not 100 percent, this is normal and it’s a whole lot simpler and quicker if you have it! Also, that little 4457, unrecorded though it is, serves as a “U.S. gun permit” in most countries throughout the world.

The actual gun case we use these days requires discussion. This has been the only source of difficulty I’ve had in recent years. TSA’s wording is “completely secure”—but that’s open to local interpretation. I go through a hard gun case every couple of years—the professional baggage smashers at the airlines are hard on them. I had one that had seen too many trips and was cracked on one corner, and I barely got through. Another time I had long-shank locks on a gun case, and the TSA folks thought there was too much play…it wasn’t “secure.” This could have been a major problem, but a kind TSA officer had some locks lying in a drawer. Most of them really are pretty good folks just trying to do their jobs.

Another time we had a Blaser taken down in its attaché-style luggage case with three combination locks. That, too, was judged “insecure.” Supervisor time. We got through it, but in the future I think I’ll stick with standard hard gun cases! Which brand doesn’t matter, so long as it’s fully lockable.

There is a new wrinkle that theoretically went into force on January 1st, 2017. Most hard gun cases have matching holes for at least four locks. I’ve never used more than two, on the outermost holes. With a gun case in good condition and tight-fitting locks, I’ve never been questioned. However, daughter Brittany got turned away in an airport earlier this year because her case had places for four locks and she only had two. They told her it was a new “policy.” I asked my TSA friends at our airport and they knew nothing about it—yet. However, on my last trip with a firearm, just before Christmas, the TSA folks in the Atlanta airport told me flatly: “Starting January 1st ‘they’ want all holes on a gun case to be filled with locks.” They didn’t tell me who ‘they’ were, but their instructions were crystal clear.

I doubt if you’ll find that as a written rule—as of January 27 it is not. TSA’s website continues to say: “The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed.” So there’s no official change, but this may well be a new interpretation. I’m not certain that every TSA office in every airport will get the word. However, TSA has the last say on what “secure” means. So here’s my New Year’s Resolution: When I travel with firearms all the lock holes on my gun case will be filled with locks!--Craig Boddington

I recommend that hunters use key operated lock(s) using the same key on gun cases because the TSA Agents will not let you into the TSA room where they open and scan the case. I give them the key but can only watch from a distance. Then they give me back the key, I sign their clipboard log and I head to my gate.

As for ammo, for international trips, I put all my ammo in a separate small lockable Pelican case and lock it with TSA combo locks. On the bottom of these TSA combo locks, there are key holes for the TSA to open the locks with a TSA master key (without my combo) if they want to check it in transit. I usually put my ammo case inside a suitcase or duffle that is also locked with TSA combo locks. However, some countries or airlines want the ammo case checked separately from your suitcase/duffle. Hope this helps!
 
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If you read the tsa website it clearly states tsa lock are not to be used on fire arms
Can you show us where it says that? I can’t find it. It just says, as others have stated, the owner must be the only one with a key.
Of course it’s the government and they’ll change it as soon as you can blink!
Thanks,
Philip
 
Can you show us where it says that? I can’t find it. It just says, as others have stated, the owner must be the only one with a key.
Of course it’s the government and they’ll change it as soon as you can blink!
Thanks,
Philip

From the TSA webpage: "Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations".

Since everyone and their brother has a key for TSA locks, I interpret this as no TSA locks on firearm cases.
 
From the TSA webpage: "Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations".

Since everyone and their brother has a key for TSA locks, I interpret this as no TSA locks on firearm cases.
See I do not agree with that interpretation. And I am aware of that language. TSA is not a person but the federal government.
That said due to my TSA locks getting broken so many times I am considering just using combo locks. Key locks are not the best idea in my opinion.
Good discussion!
Regards
Philip
 
See I do not agree with that interpretation. And I am aware of that language. TSA is not a person but the federal government.
That said due to my TSA locks getting broken so many times I am considering just using combo locks. Key locks are not the best idea in my opinion.
Good discussion!
Regards
Philip

Philip, if ONLY the passenger can have a key to the lock, how can you not assume it can be a TSA lock? Other people have keys to those locks and they have been proven to not be secure.
So those locks can be opened by persons other than the passenger. Having said that, from this chair, TSA locks aren't much better than what I use, zip ties.

Some more mud in the water:

http://www.tsatraveltips.us/guns-cases-and-air-travel/

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170731/flying-with-firearms-get-the-facts

https://lock-picking.wonderhowto.co...a-approved-luggage-locks-are-useless-0164446/
 
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Anyone can get the CAD files to 3D print all the TSA lock keys. Save your money and buy a hundred zip ties for two bucks at Harbor Freight.
 
Can you show us where it says that? I can’t find it. It just says, as others have stated, the owner must be the only one with a key.
Of course it’s the government and they’ll change it as soon as you can blink!
Thanks,
Philip



Well I found it earlier on a site explaining TSA regulations. Cant find the exact verbiage on on the TSA website.
Looks like I was wrong again,lol damn that seems to happen more and more.
I have a freind who is a supervisor with our local tsa and he said that was his understanding as well but couldnt
site the regulation.
On a side note the airport in jburg would not take possession of our rifle cases with ammo in them. Luckily
I had extra locks and we put them in a checked bag and locked the zippers, wow now I feel safe, lmao
 
I have never ever ever put a TSA lock on a gun case. I have been asked for the key or combination about half the time I have traveled. Of those times, the weapon was swabbed and scanned in front of me about half the time and behind the door the remainder - every airport has its own system. And I think Hog’s interpretation is exactly correct. TSA would simply open the case with their pass key otherwise. Like others have mentioned, I use TSA locks on ammo and checked baggage. As I noted above, I have never had a lock of any type cut.
 
See I do not agree with that interpretation. And I am aware of that language. TSA is not a person but the federal government.
That said due to my TSA locks getting broken so many times I am considering just using combo locks. Key locks are not the best idea in my opinion.
Good discussion!
Regards
Philip

“Person” isn’t mentioned.

Key portion of the rule: "Only the passenger should retain the key or combination.”

TSA locks for guns are actually illegal in the US. TSA won’t say anything about it as they like having easy access, but they are against the law.

The big issue isn’t really TSA in the US, but rather what may happen to your guns somewhere in Africa. Those TSA locks are super flimsy and very easy to defeat. Is that really what you want to use to protect your high dollar gun in Africa? Really??
 
See I do not agree with that interpretation. And I am aware of that language. TSA is not a person but the federal government.
That said due to my TSA locks getting broken so many times I am considering just using combo locks. Key locks are not the best idea in my opinion.
Good discussion!
Regards
Philip

You are the only person allowed to have access to your guns except that a law enforcement official can access them in your presence. This is why TSA locks are not legal for a firearm case. I keep a key in my pocket and another key inside my shave kit inside my carry on bag in case I lose one. Whether you prefer a key lock or combo lock is up to you.

Ammo that is packed in separate checked baggage is supposed to be declared at the check-in counter and is supposed to be accessible to the TSA or other LE without you being present. Several times the TSA and French LE have inspected my ammo inside my TSA locked ammo case that is inside a checked suitcase or duffle. They almost always leave a card inside stating as much.
 
Philip, if ONLY the passenger can have a key to the lock, how can you not assume it can be a TSA lock? Other people have keys to those locks and they have been proven to not be secure.
So those locks can be opened by persons other than the passenger. Having said that, from this chair, TSA locks aren't much better than what I use, zip ties.

Some more mud in the water:

http://www.tsatraveltips.us/guns-cases-and-air-travel/

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170731/flying-with-firearms-get-the-facts

https://lock-picking.wonderhowto.co...a-approved-luggage-locks-are-useless-0164446/
Good job! Finally somewhere that actually says no TSA locks. That settles it. I still say take extra locks in case they cut them somewhere along the way.
Philip
 
On my last trip to SA in September 2017, there wasn’t a problem with the gun case as mine is one lock on a locking rod which secures all four lathes. However I got a call on my cell phone from TSA in Boston as they couldn’t X-ray the ammo case or that they couldn’t determine what was in there. I asked was he going to there when the case was opened and then closed to make sure nothing came up missing, he said he was so I gave him the combo to the lock. When I got to the camp in SA everything was as it should be.
THis is why I recommend not using key locks. This can come up where you are not present and they must open the case. This happened to me on my first safari where the guns came three days later.
Philip
 
@phillip Glass, This IS a good discussion. I am going to revisit my whole lock setup and buy six that are keyed the same. My gun case takes two, ammo box takes two and I'll have two for spares which will go in my carry-on with spare keys.
 

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