Cutting Edge Bullets For Large Dangerous Game

Was reading another thread here where Doctari505 was cautious about the petals. He’s also cautious about my beloved 600 grain Woodleigh PPSNs, due to a poor performance. I’ve also had them lose a lot of weight, but I’ve also had some devastating one-hit-wonders... sorry, sidetrack.

What weight percentage are the petals? Worst case scenario on a 535, how much shank continues on its merry way?
 
This bullet passed behind the shoulder through the ribs out the other side. I shot a Buff in "12" with my 400H&H frontal chest shot 40 yards center punched the heart I feel that most of the petals were spent absorbed in the brisket, found two in the chest cavity and holes were evident in the lungs.
 
Sorry for the quality of the pic this is a .411 dia, 370gr Raptor cannot give you any weights but if you correspond with the folks at cutting edge they can give you hard numbers...

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I used them with great success on a Buff cull hunt in your neck of the woods using a 458 Lott. My only complaint is that after 150yrds they had a trajectory like a rock. Out on the salt flats I switched to Barnes TSX
 

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When Paul T chimes in he will give some good advice like him I am a strong believer shot a cow elk with a 235gr ER CEB think Raptor with plastic tip doing 3000 fps out of my 375H&H just hammered the poor girl my only complaint was the amount of tissue damage on the off side
 
If you go to the B&M website there are links to the development of nonconventional bullets. Lab testing in wet pack, backed up with field work. I just picked up a 500 MDM from Mr McCourry with help from Paul T. No complaints about the rifle, cartridge or bullet. I'm sold on the bullet.
 
Thinking of playing with some 535 grain Raptors in the .500 Jeffery. Just out of curiosity. PaulT: Is it a good thing, those little petals coming off in a buffalo?

Hey Ben.

I believe that CEB make a 485gn Raptor for the .505 which I would be more inclined to load rather than the heavier bullet.
Keep in mind that these bullets thrive on velocity.
Also, unless your rifle has a "coned" breech entry you may have problems feeding the blunt shaped projies from the magazine.

With regards to the blades, I found that generally they separate from the main shank after four or son inches of penetration. In most cases most of the blades made it past the shoulder blade and in to the chest cavity creating a level of havoc I have not previously witnessed. The blades depart the main shank in a centrifical pattern, cutting and damaging and channeling blood to the main shank. The shank itself will continue to penetrate, usually out the other side.

Entry and exit holes are "punched" clean of skin and debri leaving a clear open wound channel and blood trail, should you need it.

Ben, the CEB's are sold in packs of 18.
You do not have to commit to too many of them.

Let me set you a bit of a challenge.

Load up some 485gn Raptors as fast as your 505 can spit them out and then go out and plant one fair and square on a buff's shoulder from a side on shot, then come back here and tell us all how it performed.

If it fails I will quite happily come back here and acknowledge the failure and take my medicine.
 
John, congrats again on your B&M rifle and welcome to the .500 mdm clan.

I'm looking forward to you being able to get that rifle out in the field loaded with CEB's so that you can independently come back here and report how they work.
 
Paul, would you bet on a Raptor for an “Oh, shit!” moment at close range that might even require a nifty brain shot?

The big bullet mindset I have is struggling with that even though a Raptor is still going to put about 400 grains of solid brass shank through, not to mention more shock. The hypocrisy of my mentality is that I’m comfortable in those moments with a traditional 410 grain soft from a .416 Rigby.

I was leaning towards the traditional-ish weight of 530 grains for my .500 Jeffery, a step-down from the 570 grain Hydros and 600 grain PPSNs I’ve been using. But you and Daryl and the CEB website suggest that the ~470 grain Raptor might be the go! Uncomfortable mental territory for me! But I reckon I will try and see.

I’m really curious about this and am compiling some data notes for field results with different bullets for my .500 Jeffery, to compare.
 
Paul, would you bet on a Raptor for an “Oh, shit!” moment at close range that might even require a nifty brain shot?

The big bullet mindset I have is struggling with that even though a Raptor is still going to put about 400 grains of solid brass shank through, not to mention more shock. The hypocrisy of my mentality is that I’m comfortable in those moments with a traditional 410 grain soft from a .416 Rigby.

I was leaning towards the traditional-ish weight of 530 grains for my .500 Jeffery, a step-down from the 570 grain Hydros and 600 grain PPSNs I’ve been using. But you and Daryl and the CEB website suggest that the ~470 grain Raptor might be the go! Uncomfortable mental territory for me! But I reckon I will try and see.

I’m really curious about this and am compiling some data notes for field results with different bullets for my .500 Jeffery, to compare.

I’ll go a case of the finest beer in Oz that Paul says yes! Payable when I make it there someday.
 
Well, the case of beer goes to Phil.

Yes, I would, and have, trust the Raptor in the "Oh-shit" moments.
Have done so with 100% satisfaction.
 
Now that I have a 458 Lott, I may need to revive this thread. I see that everyone mentions a 450gr Raptor in 458 Caliber, but no one mentions the 420gr Safari Raptor. Is the 420 grain the bullet you're actually referring to?
 
In my .458 Lott, I run the CEB 450 gr solid mated up with the 420 gr Safari Raptor. The only animal I ever recovered the bullets out of was my giraffe in '17! You can be confident with that combination. In my .500 MDM, I'm running the 450 grain Raptor just a bit over 2400 and it is a buffalo killing son of a gun.
 
Our safari has been delayed until 2022. So I am interested in the Raptor for my 404 Jeffery. However I have no experience with them. It would seem a trifle light for cape buffalo. Anyone here have thoughts on this?
 
I just purchased some Safari Solids in 416 and 458. The 416s are 400gr. The 458s are 450gr.
Those 416s are definitely long for caliber, and I hope my Winchester 70 has a fast enough twist rate to stabilize them. Does anyone have experience with the 400gr solids in 416?
 

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