Cutting Edge Bullets For Large Dangerous Game

Hello

I was wondering, how many of you have experience with Cutting Edge Bullets on large dangerous game, such as Elephant, Hippo and Cape Buffalo. Specifically the Raptor hollow point solid. On paper they look good, but if anyone has any actual field results, let us here them.

@PaulT was at one time a PH in Australia guiding for those big buff they have there. He saw many buff taken with them.

I've used the .458 260gr SOCOM bullet in my .458B&M on PG and lioness. Hit in the boiler room, they're quite devastating.

Long for caliber, twist rate to suit.

PHOENIX PHIL said:

@PaulT was at one time a PH in Australia guiding for those big buff they have there. He saw many buff taken with them.

I've used the .458 260gr SOCOM bullet in my .458B&M on PG and lioness. Hit in the boiler room, they're quite devastating.

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How do you like the 458 B&M?

TOBY458 said:

How do you like the 458 B&M?

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Love it. I've taken a number of PG with it and one lioness as mentioned. It's barrel is a tiny 18" so very quick handling gun, but not so light that you can keep it under control. I know others with the same caliber and barrel have taken hippo, buff and elk without problems.

PHOENIX PHIL said:

Love it. I've taken a number of PG with it and one lioness as mentioned. It's barrel is a tiny 18" so very quick handling gun, but not so light that you can keep it under control. I know others with the same caliber and barrel have taken hippo, buff and elk without problems.

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Have you shot any heavy weight bullets in it? Like 450 or 500 grain? If so, what velocity are you getting?

TOBY458 said:

Have you shot any heavy weight bullets in it? Like 450 or 500 grain? If so, what velocity are you getting?

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I've shot 450gr CEB solids. Seemed like that was running about 2200fps, but that was awhile ago. If you look up the B&M Rifles and Cartridges website, there's lots of info there. My results came within +/- 20fps of the loads listed there.

Have a box of 500gr North Forks that have been just sitting and waiting to be loaded in it. Work has had a nasty habit the last 2-3 years of getting in the way of important things!

PHOENIX PHIL said:

I've shot 450gr CEB solids. Seemed like that was running about 2200fps, but that was awhile ago. If you look up the B&M Rifles and Cartridges website, there's lots of info there. My results came within +/- 20fps of the loads listed there.

Have a box of 500gr North Forks that have been just sitting and waiting to be loaded in it. Work has had a nasty habit the last 2-3 years of getting in the way of important things!

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I understand that! Yes, I've looked at the site. Good to hear the actual performance is the same in real life. It seems to be a great concept. I have a Ruger Guide Gun in 416 Ruger. I love the handiness of these rifles. The B&M rifles seem to be a similar concept.

Toby, if you appreciate light-weight, handy, powerful platforms then the B&M range is right up your alley.

I have been witness to in excess of 100 buffalo kills with these cartridges and the CEB projectiles and have nothing but praise and use them, the ceb's, exclusively for my own buffalo hunting use.

PaulT said:

Toby, if you appreciate light-weight, handy, powerful platforms then the B&M range is right up your alley.

I have been witness to in excess of 100 buffalo kills with these cartridges and the CEB projectiles and have nothing but praise and use them, the ceb's, exclusively for my own buffalo hunting use.

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Sounds like you're definitely the one to listen to on these rifles and bullets. Those big ole Water Buffalo are definitely heavy and tough animals! I bet that 500 of yours is big medicine for them though....

If you are looking for a buffalo specific cartridge and don't mind the extra work involved with forming brass from the parent case then the .500 MDM is KING !

It, the .500 MDM, makes them sit down real quick

My Hunting Journal and CEB Bullets...
375H&H, 235gr ER Raptor 1 Elk Cow numerous pigs
400 H&H, 1 Cape Buff 370gr Raptor, 1 Eland 370gr Raptor
450NE, 1 Cape Buff 450gr Raptor, 480 Solids, 1 Wildebeest 450gr Raptor, 1 Tuskless Ele 480gr Solid
458 Lott, Numerous Water Buff 450gr Raptor

So how do they compare to the old and proven Swift A frames? And say a good solid like the Northfork?

johnnyblues said:

So how do they compare to the old and proven Swift A frames? And say a good solid like the Northfork?

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The solids from CEB and NF are very similar in design and performance. The CEB is brass and the NF is copper (though not pure copper). The CEB is a bore rider design and the NF is too as I understand. But the NF uses multiple small bands closer together whereas the CEB has 4, three in the middle and one at the base.

The Swift A-Frame could be compared fairly closely to the NF bonded core soft. To compare it to the CEB Raptors is pretty difficult. The front of the Raptor is designed to shed off smaller blades which move away from the shank creating in something of a star pattern. This is intended to happen after about 4" of travel inside the animal. They create multiple secondary wounds as well helping to create a larger main wound channel. The shank and bulk of the bullet that remains continues on performing like a solid.

I've not used the Raptor design on DG, but have with the 260gr .458 on PG. I can tell you that bullet is devastating. I shot a gemsbok broadside right in the middle of the shoulder and it dropped where it stood. It made an attempt to get back up but never regained it's feet. Gemsbok are known to be tough, but it couldn't out tough that bullet. The amount of blood on the ground and surrounding vegetation was huge. Granted there was a 458 hole in both shoulders, but had I been using a solid I don't believe the kill would have been as quick.

May have to try them if I book and elephant hunt

johnnyblues said:

May have to try them if I book and elephant hunt

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I don't think you could go wrong with the solids from either CEB or NF. Michael McCourry had pics from a buff hunt where a CEB solid passed through a tree and then a buff which went down in short order.

PHOENIX PHIL said:

I don't think you could go wrong with the solids from either CEB or NF. Michael McCourry had pics from a buff hunt where a CEB solid passed through a tree and then a buff which went down in short order.

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Wow...Northforks do group well in my 375 Ruger..

Thinking of playing with some 535 grain Raptors in the .500 Jeffery. Just out of curiosity. PaulT: Is it a good thing, those little petals coming off in a buffalo?

It's a "good thing", here is a pic from a Cape Buff I shot in Aug "16" with a 450gr Raptor out of my 450 3.25 DR



Shot a Wildebeest on the same trip with same combo at 100 yards Bull drop on the spot never saw so much blood pour out of an animal on both sides of the wound channel.

So the petals hold-on until through the hide... What about shoulder and rib hits?