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the earliest date I see is March 2015. Not that his finances are any of our business.
Jeff, if you think his finances are not your business when he files for bankruptcy, you are sadly mistaken. Who do you think pays for a slimebags bankruptcy? The consumers do. I have no respect for anybody that files for bankruptcy. You create your debt, you pay it off.
 
Sorry to hear all this. I am probably conservative and old fashioned romantic and see the hunting as gentlemanly sport.
 
Popularity certainly creates its own set of expectations.
I think you have to be nuts to want to be a public figure.
In Avatar form that looks like Jabba the Hut
 
There is no point to this discussion what so ever other than a public display of jealousy and envy
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Been reading all of this and not really wanting to get involved, as I do NOT have any facts other than what is bring said here. I have lots of CB books and DVD' s which I look at regularly and have zero against the guy.
However, like what's happening in our South Africa right now and Brazil, of which I have first hand info and knowledge, those thieving govt ministers/ Presidents/ govt officials and millionaire business men abusing the system should NOT be exempt from the Law and be made to pay for the consequences of their thieving actions.
IF CB falls into this category, and I don't know if he does, then he should also not be absolved in any form.
I was raised to respect integrity and honesty and cannot condone any form of corruption/ rip off or swindling.
 
You have to register for that, and I have no desire to snoop in to other peoples personal finances just to bash him on a forum. However the earliest date listed on Open Pubic Records is 2015. Still doesn't matter, I don't go through your browser history and list what type of porn you look at. People should worry more about themselves, then other people finances.

Well it kind of is the "public's" business. CB recently won the Weatherby award- one of the requirements, if I am not mistaken, is that the person who receives it be of a "good character". Now if CB's financial situation had been in utter ruins and he really couldn't pay off his debtors then I'd say cut the guy some slack. But he filed for bankruptcy- wiped out a substantial portion of his debt and then continues to live life on the high horse. He is buying expensive boots, going on even more expensive hunts, still owns his Kansas real estate etc... something here is definitely off.

Again if I am not mistaken when you file for bankruptcy you are supposed to lose your real estate and any significant holdings of net worth you might have. Now sure there are loop holes around it...

But the fact that CB still has a substantial net worth, hence how he is affording all of this, after filing for bankruptcy and causing some investors to lose hundreds of thousands, who may or may not be able to take that hit, doesn't at all bother you? Or cause you some doubt about this individual's character?
 
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Maybe CB doesn't pay for his hunts. I know he once said he did, but I'm not convinced that is still true. If that is the case he could still be making expensive hunting trips without having any net worth. And he would probably feel he still needs to since reporting on these hunts provides his income.
 
millionaire business men abusing the system should NOT be exempt from the Law
I think we need to be clear about a few things. @Bruce, I'm not picking on you - many have said much the same thing.

Someone who declares bankruptcy is not getting off easy, I can assure you (FWIW, I've never done it, but I was a director of an energy company that went under during the price crash). And there are no circumstances - none, not one - where it could be said that someone declaring bankruptcy is "exempt from the law." In fact, they are abiding by the law. They will have gotten to know some lawyers or accountants better than they ever thought, and more than most would ever like, and will have had a judge review the most intimate details of their financial life before deciding whether to give them a discharge, or not, and if yes, on what terms. I have no doubt the process is intrusive, emotional and humiliating. Those who have gotten in that situation due to high living will have a harder time than those who were the victims of the economy, a business gone south, etc. That's what judges are for.

We as a society have bankruptcy laws for a reason, and at the end of the process the person is given a fresh start. I understand that it can be hard on creditors who are not paid, but they are entitled to make representations to the court, and have their views taken into account.

We have a system. It's one which while not perfect, serves us well as a society. It is not taking advantage of the system to use it as it was intended to be used. To pillory or abuse someone who uses the system as it is intended to be used is unwarranted, unreasonable and unfair.
 
. . .Again if I am not mistaken when you file for bankruptcy you are supposed to lose your real estate and any significant holdings of net worth you might have. Now sure there are loop holes around it...

There are exemptions that you are allowed to claim in bankruptcy, so you get to keep some stuff. You can also reaffirm the debt if you want to keep the item. For example, to keep your car you would reaffirm the debt, if you still owe money on it. As to real estate you are generally allow to keep some of it. Some states allow you to keep more then others. Unless you own it outright, you would have to reaffirm that debt.

The idea about Chapter 7, is to give the debtor a "Fresh Start." It's actually easier to re-establish debt, as the banks know you have already discharged and will have the money to at least pay the minimum. Which is part of the problem that folks use debt to live beyond their means and then some event happens and they can no longer support the debt load, Chapter 7 or 11 is the end result.
 
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I think we need to be clear about a few things. @Bruce, I'm not picking on you - many have said much the same thing.

Someone who declares bankruptcy is not getting off easy, I can assure you (FWIW, I've never done it, but I was a director of an energy company that went under during the price crash). And there are no circumstances - none, not one - where it could be said that someone declaring bankruptcy is "exempt from the law." In fact, they are abiding by the law. They will have gotten to know some lawyers or accountants better than they ever thought, and more than most would ever like, and will have had a judge review the most intimate details of their financial life before deciding whether to give them a discharge, or not, and if yes, on what terms. I have no doubt the process is intrusive, emotional and humiliating. Those who have gotten in that situation due to high living will have a harder time than those who were the victims of the economy, a business gone south, etc. That's what judges are for.

We as a society have bankruptcy laws for a reason, and at the end of the process the person is given a fresh start. I understand that it can be hard on creditors who are not paid, but they are entitled to make representations to the court, and have their views taken into account.

We have a system. It's one which while not perfect, serves us well as a society. It is not taking advantage of the system to use it as it was intended to be used. To pillory or abuse someone who uses the system as it is intended to be used is unwarranted, unreasonable and unfair.
The millionaire business men that have abused the system that I referred to are SOUTH AFRICAN guys that performed "state capture" and have stolen literally billions of Rands... this is a comment to say that NOBODY is above the Law... in RSA these guys are getting away with it, even though they have now skipped the country, the money is still gone and the poor populace is left holding the dregs. The same thing is happening right now in Brazil and the powers that be now are right in it up their necks and have charged others for similar/ less severe acts which have resulted in prison sentences, YET THEY ARE FREE AND STILL CONTROLLING THE COUNTRY.
This has nothing to do with CB and his issues, merely a comparison of people getting away with it.
As a fellow hunter I really hope that CB is not guilty of all this... I cannot judge, nor will I even try.
But, thanks for your comments on this.
 
Personally, I cast no judgment upon Craig. I've enjoyed his books and articles, and what bit of him I have seen on TV. As for his character, that's definitely not for me to ascertain. Is he flawed? Of course (and, I might add, so are you...and me, and everyone else). I'm not giving the guy a pass; I'm merely stating that I am in no position to judge.

As far as contemporary gun writers go I give top honors to Ross Seyfried. The guy knows his shit, period. But, I like Craig's work as well and am glad that he continues to contribute to the genre (although, if some of what has been written in this post is true, he does have some apologizing to do).
 
I have met him several times over the years, bought a few books here and there. Nice guy!
 
Read the thread but haven't been able to discern whether he personally declared bankruptcy or his business filed. I would surmise he was incorporated somehow.
 
Read the thread but haven't been able to discern whether he personally declared bankruptcy or his business filed. I would surmise he was incorporated somehow.

Personal. Chapter 7.
 
The whole thing smells. Period.
 
Well it kind of is the "public's" business. CB recently won the Weatherby award- one of the requirements, if I am not mistaken, is that the person who receives it be of a "good character". Now if CB's financial situation had been in utter ruins and he really couldn't pay off his debtors then I'd say cut the guy some slack. But he filed for bankruptcy- wiped out a substantial portion of his debt and then continues to live life on the high horse. He is buying expensive boots, going on even more expensive hunts, still owns his Kansas real estate etc... something here is definitely off.

Again if I am not mistaken when you file for bankruptcy you are supposed to lose your real estate and any significant holdings of net worth you might have. Now sure there are loop holes around it...

But the fact that CB still has a substantial net worth, hence how he is affording all of this, after filing for bankruptcy and causing some investors to lose hundreds of thousands, who may or may not be able to take that hit, doesn't at all bother you? Or cause you some doubt about this individual's character?

Well put Dragan and I totally agree with you but it seems that allot of guys here don't see a parallel between Bankruptcy (screwing your investors) and a man's character.

I hope that I get the same pass if I ever declare Bankruptcy.
 
I told myself I wasn't going to post in this thread, but after reading the entire thread I just can't help myself and need to speak my mind.

I like cheese on my eggs.

There, I feel better now.
 
I have heard about expensive boots on a couple comments! What boots are these ? Haha
 
He may of filed on just one business kind of like Trump did.
 

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