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Need article in Australia urging previously exiled farmers to return to Zimbabwe. They will be given land leases for 99 years.
The agricultural business apparently in total disarray.
Question. Why would someone who settled in Australia and established their lives, would want to return?
 
I think it’s too late. Spent time in Zim in 06 with a few farmers. I don’t think all but a few will go back. Many have new lives now.
 
Personally, I don't think many of the older generation farmers will return. I have family scattered all over the globe as a result of being thrown off their farms, loosing everything. Giving up the new lives they have built in hopes of things improving would be a gamble. Hopefully there are younger generations willing to move back, I know I would under the right circumstances.
 
Need article in Australia urging previously exiled farmers to return to Zimbabwe. They will be given land leases for 99 years.
The agricultural business apparently in total disarray.
Question. Why would someone who settled in Australia and established their lives, would want to return?

Only those who have lived with a burning hope to return to their home might do so. It is too soon to have any assurances that the government will be stable.
Dr Ray I m in you corner. No way I would go back. I have a friend at work who was driven from the country in the middle of the night. He still visits from time to time but has no desire to live there again.
 
Need article in Australia urging previously exiled farmers to return to Zimbabwe. They will be given land leases for 99 years.
The agricultural business apparently in total disarray.
Question. Why would someone who settled in Australia and established their lives, would want to return?

This signals a major shift in the policies. It's a very good sign! Hopefully the political change will spill over into RSA and blunt some of that talk from EFF
 
My 2¢, I went back to my old neighborhood about five years after moving away. It wasn't the same place. Old friends had moved away or made changes in their lives. New chain stores had replaced the mom and pop ones. The schools had gotten larger and more impersonal. I found out that the old saying "You can never go home again." was true.

Aside from that and from what I've read, the old farms are in total disrepair and one would have to start from scratch. May be ok for a younger person but not for an older former owner. As far as political stability and 99 year leases? Forget about it. When you consider the corruption factor, except maybe for RSA, the rule of law doesn't really exist in sub-sahara Africa. From this chair, one would have to be delusional to take Zimbabwe up on the offer. The people need to stand on their own and educate themselves to return their agriculture to its former self.
 
My 2¢, I went back to my old neighborhood about five years after moving away. It wasn't the same place. Old friends had moved away or made changes in their lives. New chain stores had replaced the mom and pop ones. The schools had gotten larger and more impersonal. I found out that the old saying "You can never go home again." was true.

Aside from that and from what I've read, the old farms are in total disrepair and one would have to start from scratch. May be ok for a younger person but not for an older former owner. As far as political stability and 99 year leases? Forget about it. When you consider the corruption factor, except maybe for RSA, the rule of law doesn't really exist in sub-sahara Africa. From this chair, one would have to be delusional to take Zimbabwe up on the offer. The people need to stand on their own and educate themselves to return their agriculture to its former self.

As you said the farms would be in a run down state.
Well here’s something / a young enterprising person could go back to establish a farm and start to develop a hunting business as well.

Perhaps we hunters could put in say $5,000 to help develop and then we get restricted hunting rights later. Such a crazy thought.
Sunday morning here so i am not thinking about work but came up with this crazy idea.
Your thoughts??
 
Here's another fly in the ointment. They have a so called "government" in power for a few months. How stable is it? Are there other players in the background waiting to make their move? For all intents and purposes, sub Sahara Africa's political structure hasn't changed in millenniums. Look at its history since the end of colonialism. It's pure tribal rule. One would need to temper his optimism about this country with a large dose of caution.
 
Here's another fly in the ointment. They have a so called "government" in power for a few months. How stable is it? Are there other players in the background waiting to make their move? For all intents and purposes, sub Sahara Africa's political structure hasn't changed in millenniums. Look at its history since the end of colonialism. It's pure tribal rule. One would need to temper his optimism about this country with a large dose of caution.

Yes indeed. Hence my earlier comments.
Murphy’s jaw so to speak :-
With reference to those types of countries -
Governments come and go;
Enemies accumulate.
 
As you said the farms would be in a run down state.
Well here’s something / a young enterprising person could go back to establish a farm and start to develop a hunting business as well.

Perhaps we hunters could put in say $5,000 to help develop and then we get restricted hunting rights later. Such a crazy thought.
Sunday morning here so i am not thinking about work but came up with this crazy idea.
Your thoughts??

Kinda like this idea.
 
My concern would be that there is a change of government and lands etc revert to the old regime!

True, but risk spread across many people.
 
A little more dope on this move. Not as simple as it sounds. A little too shaky political situation .

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...abwe-offer-white-farmers-99-year-land-leases/

Zimbabwe to Offer White Farmers 99-Year Land Leases

In a hopeful sign for post-Mugabe Zimbabwe, his successor President Emmerson Mnangagwa has decided to stop seizing land from white farmers, offering them 99-year leases on their property instead.


The Associated Press reviewed a copy of the Mnangagwa directive that said it would go into effect immediately. Mnangagwa has also said black farmers could invite white farmers into partnerships, and whites would be allowed to apply for new farm leases.

In Zimbabwe, all farmland is owned by the government and merely leased by the farmers who work it. Beginning around the year 2000, former President Robert Mugabe and his Zanu-PF party began driving white farmers away, claiming it was necessary to correct injustices from the colonial era.

“Land ownership is an emotional issue with political and racial overtones in this southern African country where under colonial Rhodesian rule whites were allocated the best agricultural land and blacks were pushed out to mostly arid land with poor soil,” the Associated Press explains, noting that whites owned most of the best farmland before Mugabe despite making up less than one percent of Zimbabwe’s population.

Mugabe most certainly changed that ratio, since only a few hundred of the 4,500 white farmers remain. He also cracked down on black farmers who worked with whites, which is why Mnangagwa granting permission for such partnerships to resume is a significant development.

Mugabe’s land seizures were largely violent mob assaults, not orderly legal proceedings. Last August, the former dictator flatly declared that blacks who murdered white farmers during the purges would never be prosecuted.

“Yes, we have those who were killed when they resisted. We will never prosecute those who killed them. I ask, why should we arrest them?” he said at an August 2017 rally.

Mugabe’s policies devastated the Zimbabwean economy and transformed the nation from a net exporter of food to an importer with chronic hunger crises. This finally led to his ouster in November at the age of 93 after almost four decades of rule. Mnangagwa, who took power in a military coup, expressed a desire to revitalize the economy and restore good relations with the West after years of sanctions over Mugabe’s abuses.

Some of the evicted white farmers have begun returning to their land, such as the Smart family, which returned to its land amid “ululations and tears of joy from former workers and their families,” as Reuters reported in December. The joy abated a bit when the Smarts saw how thoroughly their homes had been looted and vandalized in their absence, but they expressed confidence that Mnangagwa’s reforms would stick.

“Scores of jubilant black Zimbabweans nearly knocked the 71-year-old off his feet as he and his two children stepped out of their car and onto their land for the first time in six months,” Reuters wrote of Rob Smart’s return. Smart’s own father began working the farm in 1932. The family was forced off their land last year by riot police wielding AK-47 rifles.

Not all of the white farmers will be so lucky. Mnangagwa said he was not unilaterally reversing the Mugabe land seizure policy, but his administration has signaled that farmland will not be left in the hands of people unable or unwilling to tend it properly. One of the reasons Zimbabwe’s agricultural sector collapsed so rapidly is that many of the black citizens installed on land taken from white farmers had little knowledge of farming or enthusiasm for learning, while skilled farmers were driven out of the country. There has also been some talk of compensating white farmers for land seized by Mugabe.

Mnangagwa has also promised to review another racial Zimbabwean law known as “indigenization,” which basically requires international companies to make black Zimbabweans majority shareholders in their operations.

Prominent businessman Shingai Mutasa sent an optimistic letter to shareholders in early January predicting that Zimbabwe will “see a rebirth of its once notable agricultural sector, and that the resources sector will again thrive, presenting both new investment opportunities.”

On the other hand, some fear the new government will not be able to bring many white farmers back without prompting a backlash from the black Zimbabweans that would inevitably be displaced from the property they have been occupying since Mugabe’s “land reforms” began. There is also the Mugabe tradition of crackpot Marxism to deal with, as Zimbabweans are not convinced his philosophy has been entirely discredited, and some remain deeply suspicious of “neo-liberal” alternatives.

Mnangagwa’s government is also seeking to jump-start the economy by clawing back millions of dollars looted from the country at the end of the Mugabe regime but faces concerns that its anti-corruption drive could be used as a political tool for silencing dissent. The government has been dealing with allegations that corruption investigators are targeting enemies of Mnangagwa while bypassing his allies.

One interesting twist to the anti-corruption campaign is how it is treating the Mugabe family. Pains have been taken to show great respect to Robert Mugabe and “leave him in peace,” as Mnangagwa put it, while his wife and putative successor Grace is widely reviled for her extravagant lifestyle and suspected of smuggling a fortune in cash and luxury goods out of the country for her personal consumption.

Leaving Robert Mugabe in peace involved granting him a post-coup retirement package that included a lavish residence, a fleet of cars, private air travel, dozens of staffers and security guards, an annual stipend reportedly equivalent to the salary of the sitting president, and a $10 million “retirement bonus.” Not too shabby for the man who brought starvation to the onetime breadbasket of Africa by killing or exiling everyone who knew how to run a farm because their skin was the wrong color.
 
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I have no horse in this race, but it understand that a while back the government changed and one of the new governments actions was to claim ownership of land that at the time was "owned" privately. The "owners" were forced to leave the country. Now the government has a change of heart and wants the evicted owners to return on the promise that the government will "lease" their land back to them- at least for as long as the owner would be expected to live.

a Proverb comes to mind for all of those contemplating such a transaction:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me.
 

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