Cecil Redux: Xanda

This really hasn't gained much steam in the US at least where I'm at.
I think the intent of the article is clear and has been stated people aren't falling for this this time.
A six year old "cub". Really? What a joke.
 
Got these days a Whats App message from a Safarioperator, who is working at Dete area/Zimb(district where these lions were shot,approximately)
"Xanda was roaming at communal land and the shot was absolute legal.
The collaring responsible B. and his Oxfordguys are short for the kickout ,because their fake news,given to the press.
Nationalpark management (decide over all quotas in Zimb) has "the nose full" of them.

Personally I would never shoot a collard animal.Although I'm a legal hunter.
Record trophy or not(will look what reality brings :whistle: when I see Bricks sheep above)
I don't like to run in a open knife.
But I want to leave only footprints.
Foxi
Foxi, I get that, but tell me - what would you do if you were on a wild lion hunt in Zimbabwe, costing you about $75K, and you have an old male hitting the bait - without a pride. A perfect shooter. Your PH tells you to take him. Except he has a collar. And if you pass, that may be it for the hunt - lions aren't everywhere.

I don't have a problem shooting any legal game, including collared lion, and I don't think the researchers do either (at least not in this case), but I wonder what most would do in this case?
 
Nice sentiment, but go ahead and pay $40k to$60K for a hunt, have a MATURE male lion walk in front of you at 50 yds, the sticks come up, and you glimpse what MAY be a collar on the second to last day of the hunt. Then you can say that we shouldn't shoot a collared lion. Even the researchers say that shooting a collared lion is part of the research. I applaud your own opinion, but stop short of telling others what they should do that is Legal.

Foxi, I get that, but tell me - what would you do if you were on a wild lion hunt in Zimbabwe, costing you about $75K, and you have an old male hitting the bait - without a pride. A perfect shooter. Your PH tells you to take him. Except he has a collar. And if you pass, that may be it for the hunt - lions aren't everywhere.

I don't have a problem shooting any legal game, including collared lion, and I don't think the researchers do either (at least not in this case), but I wonder what most would do in this case?

I love it when great minds think alike....I think you said it better, though. Thanks
 
I know the PH would probably be pissed, but the only shots I would take on a collared Lion, is with a camera.

I would tell the PH that at the start of the hunt to avoid any unpleasant situations.

Catch & Release.
 
Some areas in Zim have Lion trophy fee's as high as $20,000. Ouch!
 
Foxi, I get that, but tell me - what would you do if you were on a wild lion hunt in Zimbabwe, costing you about $75K, and you have an old male hitting the bait - without a pride. A perfect shooter. Your PH tells you to take him. Except he has a collar. And if you pass, that may be it for the hunt - lions aren't everywhere.

I don't have a problem shooting any legal game, including collared lion, and I don't think the researchers do either (at least not in this case), but I wonder what most would do in this case?

Yes ,its a conflict.Remember on the shitstorm at the dentist and demonstrations at his surgery.
I hunt further buffalos and no one makes me trouble :)

Nearby the price for lions is in Dete actual USD 11.-' trophy fee + 1.000 daily rate.Minimum 10 days
Hunting in a blind or tracking/stalking,so the grass is not to high.
A good price ,but my wife decleared our household to a peaceful gamereserve for cats and elephants ;)or better explained-as a No Go aera.(I told her so often, they cant go anymore..........)

Foxi
 
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Yeah the storms didn't come. There is too much in the news cycle. If it was shot by Don Jr with Putin as his observer then we would have a problem...

Cecil also happened and the story broke when there was negative news about Planned Parenthood potentially selling fetuses...not saying that media would cause a ruckus but the cynic in me wonders.

When the Cecil media circus was happening, someone on AH posted the link to a blog post from a guy by the name of Matt Walsh on www.theblaze.com. It was so good and spot on, I saved a copy and attached it here. If you did not read it before, it's well worth the time.
 

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News Media Gets Facts Wrong on Zimbabwe Lion Conservation
By International Conservation Coalition (ICC)

Washington, DC, July 20
News media have reported the demise of a lion supposedly related to a lion, whom photographic safari operators in Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe, called Cecil. The lion in question was legally hunted in a government owned and managed forestry block.
ICC president and chairman, Tom Opre, spoke with Professional Hunter (PH) Richard Cooke yesterday while Cooke was in his safari camp. Cooke, whose client killed the lion in question, has been a licensed PH in Zimbabwe since 1996.
Cooke and his client were licensed to hunt the Ngamo-Sikumi State Forestry block (maintained by the Forestry Commission of Zimbabwe). While in the block they located lion tracks.

“We first picked up a big male lion track, with worn back pads which is an indicator of an older lion, approximately 14 kilometres outside Hwange National Park. We followed the tracks about 7 kilometres” said Cooke.
Cooke said, “I first saw the lion at 8:45 am. I had a good look at the lion before he disappeared into the grass.”
Cooke then contacted the park game scout in charge of monitoring lions and the researcher handling the lion study in the park. They know of the lion and estimated his age to be approximately six and half years (6.5). Zimbabwe law only allows for lions five years and older to be hunted.
“Both park staff and the researcher stated the lion had been extensively travelling outside the park (per it’s GPS collar) and the pride had no cubs. I was told it was a proper lion to take,” stated Cooke.
The lion had been collared by researchers approximately two years ago. It was not part of a pride at the time.
After the lion was killed, Cooke returned the collar to researchers. He did take mane hair, blood and tissue samples which he will provide to researchers upon his return from safari camp. These actions are typical of professional hunters when working with wildlife researchers and scientists, which reflects the importance of consumptive management tools.
Regarding the supposed relation to the now famous Cecil the lion, if would be premature to make the claim the lion in question was related to Cecil until proper DNA testing can be accomplished utilising the samples provided by PH Cooke.

The Facts:
Consumptive management tools, including hunting lions, provide Zimbabwe Parks &
Wildlife Management Authority (ZPWMA) critical funds for their operating budget. In 2015, according to ZPWMA, fees from hunting and hunting leases contributed a large portion of their operational budget. Much of these funds are directed toward anti-poaching efforts within National Parks.
John J. Jackson III Conservation Force, Member of African Lion Working Group, and of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) reports, “licensed, regulated hunting is a classic form of sustainable use. In Zimbabwe, it provides the lion's share of the wildlife habitat (4.7 times more than national parks), most of the operating revenue of ZimParks and community programs and funds most of the anti-poaching control. It is not a discretionary activity. Rather, it is an essential conservation tool that works”.
Lion hunting in Zimbabwe is highly regulated to ensure sustainability. In 2014, Zimbabwe adopted an adaptive age-based lion quota that limits the number of lions hunted to male lions past the prime breeding age. Zimbabwe has set conservative quotas and adjusted those quotas based on actual off takes. Due to this regulation, hunters have only taken about 60% or less of quota each season. With a countrywide population estimated to be at least 2,000 lions, only approximately 40 lions have been taken each year over the last three years. According to ZPWMA, the funding from those lion hunts – over $1.3 million in 2014-2015 -- underwrites the costs of conservation and protection of lion habitat and prey base in Zimbabwe
A 2016 IUCN report assessed Zimbabwe's lion populations increasing, in contrast to most of the African lion range states.
ICC: The ICC was formed by a diverse and international group of stakeholders who share a passion for conserving wildlife and habitat. This group is a broad coalition of conservationists from around the world: environmental leaders and species experts, sportsmen, outdoor enthusiasts, scientists, farmers and ranchers, and everyday people who cherish our wildlife.
 
The two scientist/researchers from Oxford/Wildrcu have already refuted the claims made by the PH that it was 'ousted', etc, etc.. They've (Offord researchers) blatantly come out saying they want a 5km buffer zone and also upset about the hunting of lions in general.

https://www.wildcru.org/news/xanda/#more-17711

Cecil the lion’s son Xanda also shot dead in Zimbabwe

Xanda,
Cecil the lion’s oldest surviving son, has been shot and killed by hunters in Zimbabwe two years after his father’s death shocked the world.

Xanda, aged six, was shot by a trophy hunter on 7th July just outside the boundaries of Hwange National Park, close to where his father was killed.

The Oxford scientists who were tracking him have called for a wider no-hunting zone around the Park.

Like his father, Xanda was being tracked (using remote satellite technology) by a team led by Professor David Macdonald and Dr Andrew Loveridge of Oxford University’s Wildlife Conservation Research Unit (WildCRU).

WildCRU have worked on the conservation of big cats in Zimbabwe for almost two decades. From their close work with the lions, they know that Xanda was born into the ‘Backpans pride’ in May 2011, the son of Cecil, the study lion made posthumously famous in 2015 through his death at the hands of American dentist Walter Palmer.

Xanda was first collared as an adult lion in July 2015, and a new GPS satellite collar was fitted by Dr Loveridge and the project field team in October 2016. He was the pride male of a pride of three females and seven cubs and his movements were continuously tracked until his death. The pride’s home range spanned the National Park boundary and they spent considerable time outside the protection of the park. Xanda was shot 2km from the park boundary in the Ngamo Forest, an area were lions can be legally hunted on quota.

Dr Loveridge, a Senior Research Fellow with Oxford’s Department of Zoology, said: “Xanda was one of these gorgeous Kalahari lions, with a big mane, big body, beautiful condition – a very, very lovely animal. Personally, I think it is sad that anyone wants to shoot a lion, but there are people who will pay money to do that.”

“I put the collar on Xanda last October and spent a bit of time following him around,” he said. “You have handled them so you feel a personal engagement with the animal.”

Professor Macdonald, Director of the WildCRU, added “Although it is heartbreakingly sad for us that this lion has been shot – and I can’t understand somebody taking pleasure in it – the episode shows just how important it is that we are working so intensively on the conservation of these animals, and documenting the threats they face. Indeed, donations we received following Cecil’s death enabled us to pay for Xanda’s tracking collar, to document his life and to support our remarkable Zimbabwean team dedicated to providing a scientific base for lion conservation.”

The WildCRU team is now repeating their call for a five kilometre no-hunting zone around the park. Dr Loveridge said: “It is something we have suggested for years. But there is a lot of resistance because a lot of the hunting happens right on the boundary, because that is where the animals are. The photo-tourism operators in Hwange are very keen to have that discussion. They are annoyed that this has happened.”

Professor Macdonald, who was shocked to hear of Xanda’s death as he got off a plane from Australia only a few hours ago, said: “Our buffer zone idea also illustrates the importance of our work – we have carefully documented the movements of the lions, the threats they face, of which trophy hunting is only one, and so we know where they are at greatest risk. Our evidence provides the essential details to assist Zimbabwe’s policy-makers”

Poignantly, Professor Macdonald had been in Australia reporting on WildCRU’s Cecil studies to a major international congress of mammal conservationists.

Cecil’s death in July 2015 sparked international outrage and a flood of support for WildCRU’s conservation work. That support has enabled them to train a cadre of remarkably dedicated young Zimbabwean conservation biologists, and to extend the lion conservation project to new areas, and into Botswana. A key aspect of the WildCRU’s practical conservation work is helping local farmers whose livestock, livelihoods and even lives are threatened by living alongside lions.

In 2016, Professor Macdonald launched the Cecil Summit with the hope, in his words, “of turning the Cecil Moment into the Cecil Movement” and creating a new international momentum for conservation. Professor Macdonald said “WildCRU’s work stretches from groundedness to geopolitics – solving global problems of conservation requires both the sort of highly practical work we do with villagers in Zimbabwe, and the highest level of political decision making. That is why we assembled at the Cecil Summit not only top notch lion experts, but world-class authorities on economics, development, law and politics – this holistic approach can create a new and powerful conservation”.

He added, “I am pleased that recent donations will allow us to hold a second Cecil Summit, later this year: and this time we will meet in an African country to ensure the greatest possible engagement with local stakeholders”.

WildCRU, based in the Recanati-Kaplan Centre at Oxford, is studying lions in various parts of Africa to uncover the science that will inform and underpin their conservation. Lion numbers are precariously low. WildCRU and its partners have estimated that there are fewer than 30,000 across the continent and in many parts of Africa their numbers are tumbling.

The team works on the lions of Hwange National Park with the support and collaboration of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority. The goal is to understand the threats that lions face, and to use cutting-edge science to develop solutions to those threats. The work involves satellite-tracking the movements of more than a hundred lions and monitoring every detail of the lives of more than 500 individuals.

WildCRU’s work is also highly practical – its projects have included running an anti-poaching team, a local conservation theatre group, and an education campaign that gets information into every school in the district. The team also works with local farmers to help them live alongside lions and improve their livelihoods.

Professor Macdonald concluded “Xanda’s death was almost two years to the day after Cecil’s, but I hope our sadness at this eerie coincidence can be balanced if this reinforces the global attention on lion conservation. And the Cecil Movement is, of course, not just about lions – lions are a metaphor for how humanity will live alongside all biodiversity in the 21st century: this is a huge question for our age”.

WildCRU welcomes support for its conservation research activities, including the work currently undertaken in Zimbabwe and the adjoining landscape in Botswana. In particular support is needed to fund WildCRU’s work on the conservation of lions, including the purchase of satellite tracking collars, project vehicles and the training of young Zimbabwean conservationists. You can find out more about supporting WildCRU here.

Update in response to a statement released by ZPHGA (24th July 2017)

A statement released by ZPHGA (Zimbabwe Professional Hunters and Guides Association) regarding the recent hunt of the lion ‘Xanda’ on a safari conducted by a Zimbabwean professional hunter contained two inaccuracies that WildCRU wishes to correct insofar as they mentioned our data and our field staff. The first inaccuracy concerned the statement that this lion was an “ousted” territorial male and the second concerned reference to remarks wrongly attributed to our field team.

Firstly, this lion was not an ‘ousted’ territorial male. He was a territorial pride male in a pride of three females with at least seven dependent cubs of between 1 and 1.5 years old. These cubs are too young to survive on their own and will certainly be vulnerable to infanticide. While the hunt of this animal was not illegal it was clearly disruptive to the social structure of the population and has most likely put the survival of the pride’s cubs in jeopardy.

Secondly, the professional hunter was said to have been told by our field staff that ‘the lion had previously been with a pride in the park’ and ‘confirmed that the lion in question did not have any dependant cubs’. In fact he was informed that this lion, whose range spanned the park boundary, was a pride male associated with a pride and dependent cubs, and that hunting him would be detrimental to the population.

It is regrettable that the ZPHGA misrepresented this information which has created, in some quarters, an incorrect impression.
 
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The two scientist/researchers from Oxford/Wildrcu have already refuted the claims made by the PH that it was 'ousted', etc, etc.. They've (Offord researchers) blatantly come out saying they want a 5km buffer zone and also upset about the hunting of lions in general.
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Scientist??

Obviously a Peddler of great repute.


“You have handled them so you feel a personal engagement with the animal.”

“Although it is heartbreakingly sad for us that this lion has been shot – and I can’t understand somebody taking pleasure in it – the episode shows just how important it is that we are working so intensively on the conservation of these animals, and documenting the threats they face.

“I am pleased that recent donations will allow us to hold a second Cecil Summit, later this year: and this time we will meet in an African country to ensure the greatest possible engagement with local stakeholders”.

“Xanda’s death was almost two years to the day after Cecil’s, but I hope our sadness at this eerie coincidence can be balanced if this reinforces the global attention on lion conservation. And the Cecil Movement is, of course, not just about lions – lions are a metaphor for how humanity will live alongside all biodiversity in the 21st century: this is a huge question for our age”.
 
How much does Wildcru contribute to the local economy? Any volunteer work, giving food, helping to build things? Just wondering.
 
“Xanda’s death was almost two years to the day after Cecil’s, but I hope our sadness at this eerie coincidence can be balanced if this reinforces the global attention on lion conservation. And the Cecil Movement is, of course, not just about lions – lions are a metaphor for how humanity will live alongside all biodiversity in the 21st century: this is a huge question for our age”.

And there it is in a nutshell.

If anyone thinks that this will end if we stop hunting the "noble lion", or captive bred lions, or collared lions, or even ignoble lions, this statement should disabuse them of that notion. No, it's not just about lions. If we agree to stop hunting lions, then they will move on to other animals. They will not stop until all hunting is banned. And if we agree to stop hunting lions for reasons unrelated to their conservation status, then how can we maintain that argument with respect to any other animals?

We have to draw the line where it rationally belongs, which is that we have a right to hunt any animal provided it is legal to do so. Anything else gets us on a very slippery slope.
 
And there it is in a nutshell.

If anyone thinks that this will end if we stop hunting the "noble lion", or captive bred lions, or collared lions, or even ignoble lions, this statement should disabuse them of that notion. No, it's not just about lions. If we agree to stop hunting lions, then they will move on to other animals. They will not stop until all hunting is banned. And if we agree to stop hunting lions for reasons unrelated to their conservation status, then how can we maintain that argument with respect to any other animals?

We have to draw the line where it rationally belongs, which is that we have a right to hunt any animal provided it is legal to do so. Anything else gets us on a very slippery slope.


Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
 

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