My first African hunt rifle question

hi Mr VD never kind of got around to getting a licence due to being in and out of this country, and taking people to other countries on hunts over the years , even though a ph friend in tanzania was trying one time to get me to sort it there to do something with him. so just a plain owner with the odd opinion ;)and a bit of experience , and getting on too much now to have the patience of examinations these days . cheers mike :D Beers:

See there Spike, I'm your friend because I tried to promote you, which proves that you owe me a beer.
 
:DI like shorter barrels around dawn and dusk...nice fireworks out the end of the barrel.
 
See there Spike, I'm your friend because I tried to promote you, which proves that you owe me a beer.

for sure anytime , would be good to quaff a few with you :D Beers:. just one of those things one should have got around to but never did.........:E Doh:
 
I have read all the above posts on your subject and for some reason feel I need to add my two cents.

Velocity - 100 fps vs 200 fps, even 300 fps does not make a difference if you put the shot where it is supposed to be....Most animal can not tell the difference
20" vs 25" - the shorter barrel will be easier to maneuver in the bush....and if you dont like it, sell it....
Alaska vs Africa - no comparison, but the length of your "barrel" should not make a difference if you know how to handle" it...

Bottom line, if you are at 80%, you have already made your decision and are looking for a reason not to get the shorter one. Go with it, practice a lot, talk to your PH, and don't look in the rear view mirror. Remember the rear view mirror is a lot smaller than the windshield because you should spend most of your time looking forward and not behind you.

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That is an excellent way to look at it thank you. I truly appreciate all the input from you guys.

I ended up going to my local shop who luckily had a 375 Ruger guide gun with a 20" barrel. I then went and handled a standard rifle with a 25". After handling both I called and bought the 20". I think for me it felt more natural pulling up the 20" barrel. Looking at placing a leupold 1.5-6 magnification optic. Is this a smart level of magnification or would I want higher/lower? I had originally planned to go with just the express sights but upon further reading it seems magnification may be wise.
 
That is an excellent way to look at it thank you. I truly appreciate all the input from you guys.

I ended up going to my local shop who luckily had a 375 Ruger guide gun with a 20" barrel. I then went and handled a standard rifle with a 25". After handling both I called and bought the 20". I think for me it felt more natural pulling up the 20" barrel. Looking at placing a leupold 1.5-6 magnification optic. Is this a smart level of magnification or would I want higher/lower? I had originally planned to go with just the express sights but upon further reading it seems magnification may be wise.


Contrats on the purchase....For the Scope vs. Sights.... Go with BOTH. Use QD rings on the scope and you have the sights as a back-up. You can always use the sights in the thick brush and put the scope on for the planes. I have a Blaser .375 H&H with sights and a QD mount (Blaser mount) for my Scope (Leupold HOG VX-R 1.5 - 4) and glad I have them both.
 
Scope- I have a Leupold VX-6 1-6x. Very good light gathering, but...I wish I had gotten the one with the red dot at the reticle intersection :( I think it would show up quicker in low light conditions. I have 70 year old eyes.
Also when I was in Alaska on a brown bear hunt and another for black bear, I had a borrowed Sako with a lit reticle. It was great on wet dark bear hides in rainy dark weather early and late in the day. Should have learned my lesson.
 
have a leupold 1.5-5x20mm on the ruger no 1. it worked fine in africa.
 
Thank you guys, I am used to first focal plane optics, is their a similar optic anyone has used in that magnification before or should I just go second focal plane?
 
Contrats on the purchase....For the Scope vs. Sights.... Go with BOTH. Use QD rings on the scope and you have the sights as a back-up. You can always use the sights in the thick brush and put the scope on for the planes. I have a Blaser .375 H&H with sights and a QD mount (Blaser mount) for my Scope (Leupold HOG VX-R 1.5 - 4) and glad I have them both.

I'm in agreement with you here Grady, on fitting any Africa / Alaska rifle, both with scope and "iron" sights as well, partly in case you have to inch your way through some very extra thick bush, perhaps after a wounded animal.

More likely, you could fall and bash a scope, then one can press-on hunting, with no need to trek back to the hunting car, much less clear back to the rifle range, by simply removing the damaged scope and use the "iron" sights.

On my first ever safari, I brought a spare scope, zeroed to my rifle and ammunition, in case I broke my primary scope.

Both scopes were in the original pattern Talley brand lever rings, plus my rifle had iron sights on it (Model 98 Mauser, in .300 H&H / 180 gr Nosler Partition bullets) that, also were regulated to my ammunition - I was ready for everything, from a civil uprising to meteor strikes.

At this stage, no meteors have hit my scope so, I no longer bring a spare scope, only the one that's on the rifle in the first place and "iron" sights, as my back-up aiming system.

However in all truthfulness, I've gotten to where I prefer to just book with a PH who, among other stand-out personality strengths, offers a proper rifle for rent (Philip Hennings of Namibia, posting here in this forum is one of these, as is Hannes Swanepoel of South Africa).

As far as hunting with open sights in the first place, this is definitely a possibility but, it greatly reduces the hunter's opportunities, for most species, in most conditions.

Elephant, from what I understand (wish I could afford to hunt them) are pretty much the only specie in Africa that a person might possibly be better off hunting them with no scope on the rifle.

Even buffalo are best hunted with a scoped rifle.

That being said, for my one and only buffalo hunt, I brought only an open sighted rifle, (Army & Navy, .450 No2 NE, side by side double) plus I shot so called "plains game" with it as well.

However, in prior discussions with my A+ PH (Hannes Sawnepoel) for my buffalo plans, he assured me that he was positive he'd get me a decent crack at a rough old bull, within 30 to 80 paces, no problem, due to the plentiful herd that, wanders in and out of The Kruger Park, on the concession we were to hunt.

He did though tell me that, of my rifles (he's seen my collection here in the states, because he visits Anchorage each year) personally, he would bring a .375 or larger caliber, bolt action rifle, with a low powered scope on it.

This because, if the "bull of a lifetime" is located, the rifle scope will make what would otherwise be a "marginal" to "not a good idea at all" shot, relatively easy.

On a prior non-dangerous game hunt, I brought a double, in .375 H&H that was claw mounted with a 2.5x scope and just for nostalgia I carried it with the little scope off, and thereby shot more than one or two animals with only the open sights.

Admittedly, of the dozen or so animals bagged on that particular safari, I used my rifle, primarily with the scope in place.

Blah, blah, blah-out,
Velo Dog.
 
Velo Dog,

You are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you again, lots of things to consider here. I plan on the express sights being mounted along with the optic.

Thank you again,
 
@Velo Dog has it all together. Follow his advice.

In summary:

Lowest Quick Detach rings money can buy. Straight tube scope so they fit in the rings. Roughly 1-4, 1-5, or 1-6 power straight tube scope. Plus great iron sights. = Winning solution.
 
@rookhawk I like your answer better than @Velo Dog . It only took me a few seconds to read and agree! (y)
 
I much preferred my answer- as with the emperor's clothes, you have to have royal blood to see it.;);)
 
@mjl1987 when you receive it, be sure to post pictures.
 
Looking at placing a leupold 1.5-6 magnification optic. Is this a smart level of magnification or would I want higher/lower

sounds good to me with qd mounts ...you sorted (y) and good to see you just went with the barrel length you actually liked ;)
 
My 2cents :D Stick with the longer Barrel- on my Model 70 they 24 inch is perfect. I've just come back from a camel hunt in remote WA. The station(Ranch) is over a million acres so we spent a fair bit of time in and out of a vehicle as well as walking through dense Scrub. I didn't feel the barrel was too long in the slightest. I would love to post some pics of the camels but there was to much feed and water around to entice them to the local watering points so You'll have to wait for next year!

In regards to optics I use a Z3 3-9x46 with the 4a Reticle which I find a great combo- having a bit of extra mag helps with those longer shots and the quality of the Glass is second to none.

Cheers
TW
 
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Looks nice. Any paper holes?
 

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