Recoil: what does it mean to you?

Well said Pheroze.
 
Remington 870 pump 12 ga with deer slugs - yuck
CZ 550 404 jeffery - a whack but tolerable up to 5 shoots in a session
CZ 550 375 H&H - wonderful, love it
Browning Stainless Stalker 30-06 - a bit of a smack with 180 grain, high energy
Browning Stainless Stalker 7mm-08 - just fine
Les Baer AR15 223 - smooth
Ruger 10/22 with custom trigger - sweet

Got rid of the Remington, just wasn't using it and figured if I ever got into bird hunting I would by something else.

On the rifles, I do start to feel a flinch at times. My solution is to bring the Ruger 10/22 along for each run to the range. If I start to feel a flinch with any of my bigger rifles, I go to the 10/22 and just practice squeezing until I'm smooth. Then, when I go back to the bigger caliber I'm usually back to squeezing smoothly and don't sense a flinch.
 
I agree that being bothered by recoil is mostly a psychological issue, but we really don't have much control of our subconscious. I sometimes flinch when shooting such mild cartridges as .308 or 7x57 out of a 9 lb rifle and other times have no trouble shooting an 8-1/2 lb .375. Wish it was otherwise, but not much I can do about it but practise and concentrate - and always wear hearing protection, which helps me tolerate recoil better too!
when the shoulder turns blue and hurts is that a physiological issue???
 
when the shoulder turns blue and hurts is that a physiological issue???
Nope. When I see a picture like that I think one of two things. The gun just doesn't fit or, more likely, someone took a quick shot with a large caliber gun which wasn't properly mounted. More likely a couple, which leads to other questions!
 
I think it still is a physiological issue. I fired an ordinary fitting Zastava 375, 30 times in succession over the bonnet of a Toyota and ended up with a shoulder and arm bruised up similar to the picture but not quite as bad. I could still concentrate on the target and put the bullet where it needed to go. I just dealt with the pain after the shot. Its when your mind pre-empts the the gun going off that you start snatching at the trigger or bracing for the recoil. Even if its going to hurt its your mind telling your body its going to hurt that causes the issues.
 
I think it still is a physiological issue. I fired an ordinary fitting Zastava 375, 30 times in succession over the bonnet of a Toyota and ended up with a shoulder and arm bruised up similar to the picture but not quite as bad. I could still concentrate on the target and put the bullet where it needed to go. I just dealt with the pain after the shot. Its when your mind pre-empts the the gun going off that you start snatching at the trigger or bracing for the recoil. Even if its going to hurt its your mind telling your body its going to hurt that causes the issues.

I was fortunate enough to grow up in a time when one could roam the woods and walk the rivers anywhere around here. Throughout the 70s & 80s I shot a LOT. Saturday and Sunday afternoons was spent roaming around shooting snakes, turtles, garfish, armadillos, and whatever else presented itself. I was well practiced when hunting season came along every year. Most of this was done with a little .223 M700. The rest with a .30-06, a .338 Win Mag, and a .375 H&H. These three were pre-64 M70s.

I found the .375 (unmodified from the factory production) at a gun show and thought why not. Loading 250 gr bullets at a mid level load it was not bad to shoot at all. The trouble was after 20 or 25 rounds I would have a pretty bad headache.

Then a buddy's father that was a sort of gunsmith and had a gun shop and naturally I supported him. One day I spot a little thing in the for sale rack, a seriously "lightened" M70 .338 Win Mag. He said it was his personal rifle that he'd tweaked for carrying in the Rockies Elk hunting. Again the thought why not. Problem was fully rigged with scope, mounts, sling, and ammo the gun barely made 7 lbs. With 250 gr Sierra Boat-tails that thing was a killer out of both ends. It made the .375 a joy to shoot. Sure it was an easy carry, but hell to shoot.

This thread got me to thinking back of those two experiences with recoil. They pretty much explain themselves with the variation from one gun to another. But what none of this takes into account is the individual shooter. Recoil for some is nothing, others can't take it. Kind of like the sight of blood makes one man queasy and another lose his breakfast. While yet another is up to his elbows gutting a fresh kill while eating a sandwich.

So, I think Mr. Holland is right. Psychological yes and maybe some physical too.
 
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I like to read this forum because I have been fascinated with Africa all of my life and my dream is too hunt there one day, though time is running out. I'm 57. I grew up hunting with an ancient Montgomery Wards SxS 16 gauge and two military surplus rifles, a Lee Enfield and a 1903A3, neither one sporterized. Never thought about recoil. Had my first shoulder operation in 1974, second in 1979, same shoulder, football injuries. Still never thought about recoil. Third shoulder operation in 2002, same shoulder. Was hit by a car while riding a bicycle. Really bad. I'm now very cognizant of recoil, and the largest cartridge rifle I own is a 30-06. I'm also an avid bird hunter and own several 12 gauge semi's. Like many people I suppose, shooting a 12 gauge even with heavy duck loads is much more pleasurable than sighting in a 30-06 while sitting at a bench. I've practiced rolling back(don't know exactly how to describe it) with rifle recoil and it does help quite a bit.

As someone else has mentioned, I don't notice a sore shoulder after shooting but my back tightens up the next day if I do a lot of shooting. One anomaly for me is I really don't care for the recoil of a 25-06. I've shot two different ones and the recoil bothered me more than my .270, 30-06 and the .300 WinMag I've shot. And it isn't stock fit because one 25-06 was a Remington 700 and one was a Weatherby. My .270 is a 700 and my 30-06 is a Weatherby and those stocks fit me well.
 
Recoil means I get to shoot my lightweight big bore handguns and rifles today.
 
For me it’s all mental. I don’t know that I’ve even had a bruise from recoil. I do know that I began shooting big guns at about 10 years of age and my dad gave me an open sighted Springfield .30-06! Bad way to start a kid hunting for sure.
Now I am good with my .375 and .416 and working on getting used to my .470 NE.
Philip
 
For me it’s all mental. I don’t know that I’ve even had a bruise from recoil. I do know that I began shooting big guns at about 10 years of age and my dad gave me an open sighted Springfield .30-06! Bad way to start a kid hunting for sure.
Now I am good with my .375 and .416 and working on getting used to my .470 NE.
Philip
Good job Philip!!!!!!
 
I find that by focusing very much so and taking time to check my aiming point etc, I don’t feel the recoil that much.
Mind you a great recoil pad is essential though.
After using a 460 weatherby magnum with 500 grain Bullets I found that it makes everything else appear to be mild!
 
One year ago I had to have a total shoulder replacement. The doctors believe it was from shooting hard recoiling rifles.
 
Fit and proper weight for caliber is the most important IMHO..

I restocked my ZKK 602 (.375H&H) some years ago...it had that curved bavarian styled stock that caused it to muzzle-jump considerably....a straight stock changed that..huge difference..
 
Recoil is only an acknowledgment that you have had another trigger pull of fun.:):)
In reality recoil is what you make of it and your understanding of it as either a painfull side effect of taking a shot or the pleasant afterglow to remind you that you have taken the shot.
 
My Dad taught me when picking up a gun for the first time to close your eyes, mount the gun, open your eyes. If the sights (or scope) are it aligned correctly the gun doesn't fit your body correctly, put it down and try another gun. The trick is find a gun that appeals to you visually but also fits you like a glove. He also taught me how to properly control breathing and squeezing of the trigger as the sights align on the target. Both of these things contribute to comfortable accurate shooting without getting beat up by your gun. Of course that doesn't mean you don't notice recoil. It just ensures you can shoot accurately. I have a very light weight ruger American 30-06 that kicks much worse than my CZ550FS in 9.3x62. Or even my 12 gauge Ithica deerslayer with slugs. But it is the most accurate rifle I own.
 
Humans are largely smart, they experience, they learn, they react. If it hurts you your inclination is to avoid it. If you force the situation you flinch. Flinch manifests itself in trigger snatch. I know, I do it. There are only two cures - 1. Change the ergonomics to minimise the hurt. 2. Train yourself, mind and body to not react.
Best is do both, but to just tell yourself it will all be ok, when it wont, is a totally losing strategy.
 
Humans are largely smart, they experience, they learn, they react. If it hurts you your inclination is to avoid it. If you force the situation you flinch. Flinch manifests itself in trigger snatch. I know, I do it. There are only two cures - 1. Change the ergonomics to minimise the hurt. 2. Train yourself, mind and body to not react.
Best is do both, but to just tell yourself it will all be ok, when it wont, is a totally losing strategy.
Hey Kevin,
My offer still stands Squire...
 
Bullet Weight:570(gr)
Bullet Velocity:2150(fps)
Powder Charge Weight:90(gr)
Firearm Weight:8.75(lbs)
Recoil Impulse 7.44(lbs.sec)
Recoil Velocity27.36(fps)
Recoil Energy101.75(ft.lbf)

That's the description of the rifle I used for thick skinned dangerous game on three hunts in Africa. 10 years before my first hunt, I had never shot anything more powerful than a .30-'06. In those 10 years time, I trained myself to the point that when I shot my first elephant, after shooting three shots in rapid succession, I was unaware of having felt any recoil al all.

The previous year, while studying in Germany, I had the opportunity to go on a wild boar hunt in Bulgaria with a group of German hunters. In preparation for this experience, I bought a BRNO 602 in .375 H&H Magnum. One of the gun clubs I belonged to had a 50 yard running boar target, and I took advantage of every opportunity to practice with it. I had been shooting International Skeet at the same club for several months at that point and was quite familiar with the mechanics of gun mounting and rapid target acquisition. On the hunt, I hit and killed the only "Wildschwein" I shot at.

The cartridge I used in Africa was one of my own design. Some years earlier, in sighting in rifles of heavy recoil, such as my .458 WM and .375 Chatfield Taylor, I had designed and built a device to allow me to shoot from the bench when sighting in. My design was based on a device called a "Preuss Gerät" in use at the Krieghoff factory in Germany. My device served the same purpose, which was to reduce the recoil to a manageable level while shooting from the bench. Once the rifle was sighted in, all my practicing was done with reduced loads and cast lead bullets. I used the same techniques I had learned on the skeet field to shoulder the rifle so as to be looking throuogh the sights and to deliver well aimed shots rapidly. In Africa, I confirmed my sight setting by shooting over the hood of the Toyota Land Cruiser we used as a hunting car, with a folded towel padding my jacket at the shoulder.

In the course of three trips to Africa I used that rifle to kill one rhino, three elephants, and six Cape buffalo. When shooting at game, I never noticed any recoil and in fact was able on more than one occasion deliver a string of aimed shots in rapid sequence.

My belief is that injury from heavy recoil is caused by anticipating the recoil and stiffening the body to resist it. If the body is not stiffened, then it retains enough flexibility to absorb the recoil without injury. Whether this is the case is beside the point, since the facts are these: I repeatedly shot a rifle with the performance reflected in the chart above and never received an injury of any kind as a result, not even a bruise. My rifle does not even have a recoil pad.

I get the impression that it is not unusual for a hunter to arrive in Africa with on rifle of any kind, or at least of no rifle suited for dangerous game. I suppose it is theoretically possible to learn to shoot such a rifle while on a hunting trip, but that seems highly unlikely. Shooting a powerful rifle such as one required by game laws for dangerous game is something that needs to be learned in an unhurried manner with repetition until the shooter "gets it right". The fact that theoretically a professional hunter is there as a back up should not be taken into consideration. I can remember several situations when my professional hunter was not near enough to the scene of the action to have made a contribution to the outcome. The old adage, "Practice makes perfect," applies in such situations as well as anywhere else.

When I got my first really powerful rifle, my .458 Winchester Magnum, it was some time before I ever fired a full power load through it. I was more than a little frightened of what I had read and had been told was the fearsone recoil I would have to deal with. How accurate that information had been was brought home to me when my .458 WM double rifle experienced a "double". When a double rifle "doubles", the recoil energy is not doubled, but four times as great. The rifle weighs the same, but the projectile now weighs twice as much as does the powder. The recoil velocity is doubled also, and the recoil energy is a function of the square of the velocity.

When this event occurred, I was pushed backwards two paces, my feet got tangled up, and I sat down suddenly, but only my dignity was harmed. The rifle action was stripped and cleaned and from that day in 1970 to this it has never happened again. (The two bullets hit the target only a bit more than an inch apart.) Nothing else I have shot, before or since, has handled me so roughly, but I emerged unscathed.
 
Recoil is a thing.

When I stopped shooting skeet I started noticing rifle recoil a lot more.

Most of my rifles have muzzle brakes, keeps your eye on the target. Even 6.5 CM, I can see shots at any distance.
 
I've never had trouble with recoil either. I'm 6 foot and 175, so we are pretty equal. But when I was younger, I was 135 lbs soaking wet. So I always thought it was my light frame putting up little resistance. But I got fat last year (212 lbs), and that didn't change it either.

The best thing for recoil sensitive that I've found, is the Hogue stocks. People call them ugly, but I love the things!
 

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