Recoil Question 458 LOTT

8x68 said:

Even with 75lbs it still moves back 6"

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I think I will stop at my puny 416 Rigby!

Panielsen said:

Lol. So that Gibbs of yours doesn't leave a mark? Must be nice! Lol

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your gun shouldnt bruise you, can you tell me the details of your shooting?

-how do you hold/shoulder your rifle?
-what clothes do you typically wear? (thick or padded clothes allow the gun to excelerate before hitting your shoulder)
-does your LOP properly fit you? (too short and your elbow sticks out. too long and its tough to properly pull the gun into your shoulder)

-matt

@matt85 I sometimes get a small bruise from range time but I shoot a lot of rounds when I go. I make the first shot off the sticks then the remaining on two or three other targets while being times. I think the bruise I sometimes get is from not having the rifle tight in the pocket while shooting quickly. The post I had made was kind of an attempt to be humorous, lol.

Whilst I was at the range a couple of years ago I realized forgot my Leadsled. Since I was there with the 450 Rigby I figured I might as well let loose a few rounds. I lasted for about 10 rounds from the bench and that was enough! Just had a bit of a red shoulder the next day and some soreness that was it. Took a couple of days to get rid of the headache though

busy with a working rifle 458 Lott at the moment , the rifle is looking fantastic , 22" barrel .

bassasdaindia said:

busy with a working rifle 458 Lott at the moment , the rifle is looking fantastic , 22" barrel .

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photos!!!!

spike.t said:

photos!!!!

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@spike.t I knew that was coming , when I'm done with it , it's almost ready .

I dunno. I have 2 .458 Lott rifles. One Ruger RSM and one CZ550 Magnum in a fiberglass stock. I have to say that the RSM is downright unbearable. I'm not sure if it's the stock, but that one seems to kick harder and also hits me in the jaw as soon as I hold a bit lighter than properly. Now, we can only shoot from the bench at the one range I shoot at so it's not the most comfortable shooting position to begin with. I will have to try it from a different position elsewhere. The CZ seems to be a bit more manageable in terms of recoil, but with both rifles it's really the muzzle blast and the resulting concussion that bother me more. Couple, three shots and I start to get a headache. It sucks to a point of me trying to sell the Ruger right now and hoping to downgrade to .404 Jeffery.

Overall I don't think I'm recoil sensitive but for sure I'm finding as I get older, I like less and less recoil.

Milan said:

I dunno. I have 2 .458 Lott rifles. One Ruger RSM and one CZ550 Magnum in a fiberglass stock. I have to say that the RSM is downright unbearable. I'm not sure if it's the stock, but that one seems to kick harder and also hits me in the jaw as soon as I hold a bit lighter than properly. Now, we can only shoot from the bench at the one range I shoot at so it's not the most comfortable shooting position to begin with. I will have to try it from a different position elsewhere. The CZ seems to be a bit more manageable in terms of recoil, but with both rifles it's really the muzzle blast and the resulting concussion that bother me more. Couple, three shots and I start to get a headache. It sucks to a point of me trying to sell the Ruger right now and hoping to downgrade to .404 Jeffery.

Overall I don't think I'm recoil sensitive but for sure I'm finding as I get older, I like less and less recoil.

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I agree with the " as I get older , I like less and less recoil"

Milan said:

Now, we can only shoot from the bench at the one range I shoot at so it's not the most comfortable shooting position to begin with. I will have to try it from a different position elsewhere.

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i wouldnt fire a 458 Lott from the bench... EVER! i cant figure out why people keep trying to shoot big guns from the bench. its a bad idea and is self destructive. you can do serious permanent damage to your body by shooting these types of guns from a bench rest.

if the only place available to shoot my 505 Gibbs required that i bench rest the gun then i would simply not shoot my 505 Gibbs any more (assuming i couldnt go out in the woods).

-matt

bassasdaindia said:

busy with a working rifle 458 Lott at the moment , the rifle is looking fantastic , 22" barrel .

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Larry I look forward to seeing this rifle! Merry Christmas sir!

matt85 said:

i wouldnt fire a 458 Lott from the bench... EVER! i cant figure out why people keep trying to shoot big guns from the bench. its a bad idea and is self destructive. you can do serious permanent damage to your body by shooting these types of guns from a bench rest.

if the only place available to shoot my 505 Gibbs required that i bench rest the gun then i would simply not shoot my 505 Gibbs any more (assuming i couldnt go out in the woods).

-matt

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No choice on that range. But I did shoot the Ruger RSM offhand standing and while it did not rattle my teeth it was no easier otherwise. I will give the big CZ another chance, however, I am looking for a "more pleasant" replacement for the Ruger for sure. Beautiful gun. Just not for me. Plus I find its forend a bit too square bulky for my tastes anyway. But this is probably off-topic.

if you "must" shoot off a bench then i STRONGLY recommend using a lead sled with around 50 pounds of lead on it. ive shot my 505 Gibbs this way before and it ended up breaking my lead sled, but the 458 Lott has less recoil and should be easier on the sled.

people laugh at the bruising caused by these guns off the bench but the bruising is just an outer sign of possible serious internal damage. you can easily damage muscles, tendons, cartilage, and even bone shooting large guns from the bench. your collar bone needs to be hit in just the right way to fracture and your 458 Lott has more then enough power to do it.

i spend a great deal of time shooting big guns ranging from a 416 to a 585 and have learned more then a few lessons about dealing with recoil. the first lesson learned was that the bench is no place for large bore guns. another important lesson is "moderation", limit the amount of cartridges fired in one sitting to what you can shoot without any negative effects the following day.

-matt

CAustin said:

Larry I look forward to seeing this rifle! Merry Christmas sir!

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you will see it on your next trip to SA Charlie , and a merry xmas to you and Bryson as well as the rest of your family.

bassasdaindia said:

I agree with the " as I get older , I like less and less recoil"

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I'm moving in the opposite direction.

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

I'm moving in the opposite direction.

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I am pushing 63 yrs of age and the recoil of my 375's and 458 WM do NOT affect me at all when hunting... range/ bench shooting with the 458 is another issue and I don't do it unless absolutely necessary !!!!!

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

I'm moving in the opposite direction.

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now marius obviously age isnt producing more in the way of sense

most i have put through my ruger at one sitting is 16 rounds after i dropped it and the arm of the peep sight got bent down slightly......now as this "modification" actually made it better for looking through the sights and the peep being round i thought no point in maybe damaging it by trying to bend it back, so then had to work out not only up/down and left/right with the adjustments but also factor in the slight bent angle of the arm as well (thats why it took 16)........i did have a pair of socks under my shirt i will confess while i did this, and as my "shooting bench" was the passenger seat and dashboard of a cruiser with no cab and kinda hunched over the socks were needed, in fact i would highly recommend them if nothing else is available

spike.t said:

most i have put through my ruger at one sitting is 16 rounds after i dropped it and the arm of the peep sight got bent down slightly......now as this "modification" actually made it better for looking through the sights and the peep being round i thought no point in maybe damaging it by trying to bend it back, so then had to work out not only up/down and left/right with the adjustments but also factor in the slight bent angle of the arm as well (thats why it took 16)........i did have a pair of socks under my shirt i will confess while i did this, and as my "shooting bench" was the passenger seat and dashboard of a cruiser with no cab and kinda hunched over the socks were needed, in fact i would highly recommend them if nothing else is available

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Nothing wrong with being able to shoot around trees.

KMG Hunting Safaris said:

I'm moving in the opposite direction.

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Interesting. I have always been fascinated by bigger calibers (even in handguns) and my dream was a .505 Gibbs. But after giving .458 Lott a try I'm not so sure. Again I would like to stress the concussion resulting from the muzzle blast more than the recoil. I think the recoil can be tamed with more shooting by perfecting technique. But does the blast not bother you folks?
I was going to shorten the barrel on the CZ by 3" and now I'm not so sure because it will add not only to the muzzle jump but also to the blast.

I will also agree with the OP mentioning potential injury. I have to admit that it never occurred to me much but I think the big bores have that capability and again, as we age, for some of us (I see it in myself for example, and no I don't feel that old yet but simply see effects of mature age coming on), our muscles, tendons and ligaments become less flexible and thus more prone to injury. So this becomes especially true at or near the joints.

Regardless of the above, it seems anything I do these days and I have been passionate about since childhood, I try to keep the passion going by doing it under most pleasurable conditions possible. I don't get pleasure or have fun crashing my bike or motorcycle (and yes it can still be good for a laugh but potential for bigger injuries is there), I don't ride under adverse conditions if I don't have to, and I do not think it fun getting my noodle rattled by muzzle blast either.

Just my humble experience and opinion, of course.