Pivot Mounts Vs. Claw Mounts

German Claw Mounts Vs Pivot Mounts

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I have purchased a JP Sauer 3000 Drilling in 12ga x 12ga x 30-06 and I am looking to put a scope on it. The scope is a trijicon 1-4x that I already own.

The question Is should I go with more traditional Claw mounts or the newer pivot mounts?(and why?)

Also does anyone have an idea of what this could cost as I know this can be delicate work on a drilling?

I know some of you around here know about these types of things. I hope to use this gun for both birds and plains game in the future if that effects your decision. Finally it already has pop up iron sights installed.
 
I have a little bit of everything, even a few Quick release
 
Traditional claw mounts have to be made for the particular rifle, and generally are very expensive. I've never chosen to spend that money, simply because I can get what I need - quick release and reliable return to zero - without spending that much money.

Like Rob44, I have ended up with a bit of everything. My first mounts were Talley, and they are very good, but require you to unscrew two levers to remove the scope, and then to slide it back in. You need to be careful that you slide the scope in fully or it won't return to zero. But they are straightforward, common and reliable.

I have two types of pivot mounts on other rifles. One is a Recknagel, while the other is EAW. Both are similar in that they pivot on the front mount. Between the two I much prefer the EAW - I prefer the lever ro the thumb screw to release the back, and I find them marginally easier to re-attach. I also had the Recknagel mounts become loose on a .416, while no such problem with the EAW on a .404, but that may have been the gunsmith who installed them.

If I was picking one - and I now have - it would be the EAW. Solid, reliable and easy to operate.
 
Swing mounts, like the EAW, normally will not fit a drilling. They are best employed on bolt actions (and I just had JJ Perodeau install a set on a between the wars .318 built by Cogswell on a P14 action. They are wonderful). The drilling rear sight is a very low flip up style which means the bases can be no taller than the rib. Also, one can't simply drill and tap a rib; the base must be soldered into a space cut into the rib. Claws achieve it and so do the old Krieghoff bases which were flat and upon which the rings slid. Make sure whoever does it knows their business. This is very exacting work. Shade tree gunsmiths have ruined more drillings in this country than did the MPs during the occupation.

JJ is the only person I know that I would trust with that work on this side of the pond - there may be others. Claw bases and rings will likely run between 1100 and 1500 dollars.
 
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Red Leg said:
Swing mounts, like the EAW, normally will not fit a drilling. They are best employed on bolt actions (and I just had JJ Perodeau install a set on a between the wars .318 built by Cogswell on a P14 action. They are wonderful). The drilling rear sight is a very low flip up style which means the bases can be no taller than the rib. Claws achieve it and so do the old Krieghoff bases which were flat and upon which the rings slid. Make sure whoever does it knows their business. Shade tree gunsmiths have ruined more drillings in this country than did the MPs during the occupation.

JJ is the only person I know that I would trust with that work on this side of the pond - there may be others. Claw bases and rings will likely run between 1100 and 1500 dollars.
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Red Leg is right - I missed the reference to the drilling. Ignore my post!
 
Red Leg said:
Swing mounts, like the EAW, normally will not fit a drilling. They are best employed on bolt actions (and I just had JJ Perodeau install a set on a between the wars .318 built by Cogswell on a P14 action. They are wonderful). The drilling rear sight is a very low flip up style which means the bases can be no taller than the rib. Also, one can't simply drill and tap a rib; the base must be soldered into a space cut into the rib. Claws achieve it and so do the old Krieghoff bases which were flat and upon which the rings slid. Make sure whoever does it knows their business. This is very exacting work. Shade tree gunsmiths have ruined more drillings in this country than did the MPs during the occupation.

JJ is the only person I know that I would trust with that work on this side of the pond - there may be others. Claw bases and rings will likely run between 1100 and 1500 dollars.
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In my world, that's big money for scope mounts! Not suggesting in any way that it's not the best way to go. I would trust J.J. with any gunsmith job. His reputation is stellar! Just might have to save up for it first!!!!
 
In anyone's world, that is big money. But so is the value of a Sauer 3000. I have seen any number of otherwise wonderful old world combination guns destroyed by Rub Goldberg attempts to adapt Redfield rings and the like to them. There is a fellow advertising right now who claims he can adapt lever mounts to work - he mills a couple of parallel slits in the rib. No rib ever made will hold up to that, and no knowledgable buyer will touch a rifle so altered. In the long run, that claw system will only add to the value of that gun.
 
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claw mounts are my favourite. never used anything else till recently.
 
Hubertus Drilling, Suhl, 16/70-16/70 - 243 W with Suhler Einhakmontage ( claw Mount) and Swarovski Habicht Nova 3-12x56
my favorite for Long shots on roe deer ....









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@Mannlicher beautiful gun. That gun is very similar in appearance to mine
 
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I appreciate the advice I have received on this thread so far, and welcome more. I know there is no cheap way out with this one so I just want to make sure I do it correctly. I am told by a couple of gunsmiths that the claw mounts will only be a couple hundred dollars more then a QDA pivot mount. (I have no intentions of exploring any sort of unproven methods or individuals when it comes to mounts on this gun)

Am I going to be stuck with the same scope forever with claw mounts as compared to pivot mounts? This has been hinted at, but as long as the scopes have 1 inch tubes I dont see why that would be the case?
 
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16's are great guns I have one in over under that I love.
 
Special Drilling, called "Bockdrilling" or "Triumph-Bochbüchsflinte" from K. Hauptmann, Ferlach, Austria.
20/76, 8x68S, 5,6x50RMag with Pivot Mount and Swarovski 8x56 ( for wid boar hunting at night).


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@Mannlicher do you prefer one of these mount types? Both guns are gorgeous by the way. I love the checkering on that block drilling.
 
The classic way would be the claw Mount, but problem is to get an experienced gunmaker, who is able to do it in a right way.
Nowadays the Pivot Mount gives you the possibility to change the riflescope without great efforts, EAW or Recknagel have
good parts for this Pivot Mount . If I want to mount a new Drilling - not a piece for collectors - I would take the Pivot Mount.
Cheaper and from the view of technique the better way.

Mannlicher
 
Thanks for the advice. That's what I was looking for. This site never fails to have someone with the proper knowledge! No matter how obscure the hunting related material and questions are.
 
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