WANTED: Looking for a Monster

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Hi,
I am looking for a real monster to hunt . I would like an outfitter who has good bow experience. I want a plains game species that is special. A shot at the books as it were. I know this is asking a lot. If you don't ask it can't happen. So if you have that red hartebeest, or ancient eland, even a huge blesbok let me know.(any plain game species) Have bow, will travel. Have a very flexible schedule.

thanks-Jerry
 
Zenbear....Making the record book (SCI) is fairly easy. RW is harder but achievable with enough time and the right property. I would be a little more specific with your expectations. Top 10 SCI, Top 3 SCI, Top 10 Roland Ward, etc... I think you will get more accurate responses if you do so. Just my 2 cents. You might want to prioritize species also. 1. Kudu, 2 Eland, 3 Gemsbok, etc. Also, there was a post this week about a monster Vaal Rhebok that was available. You might want to check that one out.

http://www.africahunting.com/threads/grey-rhebuck-hunt.24166/page-2#post-221429
 
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Im sure this was posted a few months ago?
 
Zenbear....Making the record book (SCI) is fairly easy. RW is harder but achievable with enough time and the right property. I would be a little more specific with your expectations. Top 10 SCI, Top 3 SCI, Top 10 Roland Ward, etc... I think you will get more accurate responses if you do so. Just my 2 cents. You might want to prioritize species also. 1. Kudu, 2 Eland, 3 Gemsbok, etc. Also, there was a post this week about a monster Vaal Rhebok that was available. You might want to check that one out.

http://www.africahunting.com/threads/grey-rhebuck-hunt.24166/page-2#post-221429
 
Of course you are correct. Making RW is a good base. The species is far less important. Just as long as it is a plains game animal. Finding a Rowland Ward animal is hard enough.


thanks so much-Jerry
 
It is really not spam. I am still in the market for that hunt. I have hunted Africa three times before. I have a chapter in my upcoming booked called Africa about a hunt with Motsomi Safaris (Great outfitter by the way.) The chapter works well and am working on the next book and wanted another but different African experience. One of someone chasing a trophy. Isn't that what many of us dream? The last post was three months ago and did not produce the plains game opportunity I was looking for. I suppose I could have bumped the old one but to me that is more spammy.

-Jerry
 
One of someone chasing a trophy. Isn't that what many of us dream?
@zenbear I would say your statement is basically correct in the simplest form... However if you look deeper, many of us have a different view on what a trophy is. There are numerous reports on this site of guys who have taken animals that will never make "the book" however they are very special trophies to those guys. Old ornery broken horn or worn down buffalo, critters with the tips worn off or "broomed off" from age. Old males with battle scars, broken teeth, broken horns, worn down hooves or claws.

Not to mention the "trophy" of going through the hardships to get the right animal. Lots of guys have posted pictures of their "trophy" scars from thorn and tooth... Everything bites in Africa! The utter exhaustion of trudging many miles after a buffalo or elephant in the wilds only to turn back without shooting it as it is too young when you finally get up close enough. Getting to bed at 11 PM after such a long march followed by a long journey back to camp which includes a flat tire hours from any semblance of civilization nor a spare... So fixing it in the wilds by flashlight. Only to get up at 4 AM to start all over again, and to be able to do so with vigor and purpose!

Then there is the trophy of executing the perfect stalk and making a fine shot and the clean kill such a fine specimen deserves... And the trophy of that unique exhilaration that comes from the combination of sadness and respect for the animals life you just took, and the satisfaction of a proper culmination of a great hunt.

And yes, it is a special trophy to be displayed with pride when one takes a record book animal found at the end of a long track. Especially when you are hunting huge areas where such opportunities exist but are not guaranteed. And where that animal had to overcome all the odds in order to live long enough to grow into such a fine speciamen.

So @zenbear I'm a little sad for you when I read your request as I know there are outfitters, especially in RSA, who will have animals that fully meet your requests. Probably in relatively small enclosures where they can live in a controlled environment and be raised to produce the type of trophy you are requesting. Such "trophies" can be had with your checkbook and little exertion. I truly hope you do not end up with such a "hunt" as you will have the true "trophy experience" stolen from you, even if by yourself.

My hope for you is that this is not what you end up finding and that you end up with a true hunt on your hands, get a few thorns stuck so deep you will be trying to pick them out for a month. And that you are so physically worn down by the time you are in place to make the shot, that you can barely hold a steady bead on the critter. And that you make a clean kill and then experience that true exhilaration only possible by having "earned" the trophy. And I hope you find understanding.

Finally my biggest hope is that in the end, when you are writing about it for others to read, having earned that fine trophy with blood, sweat, and some tears... You can pass a bit of the true meaning of "trophy" on to others.

All my best,
Bob
 
Bob,
You don't know me so how dare you lecture me? I have hunted all my life and in every case ethically . I understand what you are trying to say. I also understand that I am entitled to seek my trophy my way. The fact that it is hunting means there is no forgone conclusion. I simply want to know that the "Great white whale" swims in the ocean I am hunting on. That is the hunt I am choosing for this trip. It is really so unfortunate when hunters choose to create divisions within our sport and make it that much easier for those who dislike what we do to make it harder to do it.

-Jerry
 
Bob,
You don't know me so how dare you lecture me? ..............-Jerry

Jerry, by inference you did share your view for all to see,..
......... I want a plains game species that is special.

The logical consequence of your premise:
There are plains game species hunted that are not special.


I think you got another view, not a lecture!


........... It is really so unfortunate when hunters choose to create divisions within our sport and make it that much easier for those who dislike what we do to make it harder to do it.
.........Jerry

Create a division? YOUR premise is what presented the division, not the reply.

You are SOLICITING for a specific animal and literally appear to be SHOPPING.
Do you think that view of hunters is something that might cause some to dislike hunting/hunters or make it harder to hunt?


Perhaps Jaco is correct, the internet is changing things.
 
Jerry, These folks cater to what you are looking for.

THE premier springbok hunting property in the world.
"Jules of the Karoo Safaris is THE premier springbok hunting property in the world. Offering free-ranging springbok in all four color phases, (common, black, white, and copper), Jules of the Karoo has been home to more record book springbok than any other property..."
 
I forgot

SPRINGBOK SA (17"+) P.O.R
 
Jerry;
I'm sorry you feel I was lecturing you. My intent was to answer the question you posed and in doing so to address it in the framework you wrote of.

I think I was in the right on that when you inferred that most of us dream of only trophy size. And as you pointed out, you intend to write of this... Therefor I think you open yourself up to more comment than the average hunter. Especially when you suggest most of us dream of the same thing... It is not that simple and I tried to point that out.

Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings, that was not my intention. My intention was to portray another line of thought that I believe many hunters possess.

Bob
 
I surely must agree with the points made by 'ActionBob' and 'shooter'.
 
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Jerry;
Re-reading my first post, I did get a bit "preachy" so I apologize for that. I do however stand by the points, just should have done it more generically rather than specific.
Bob
 
Hi,
First of all , I never targeted a specific animal or a "canned" situation. Rather I am looking for a trophy situation. Ideally when we hunt we would like to scout and pattern our quarry. I once spent four years chasing the same whitetail. When we get away from our "home" area we then turn over those chores to the professionals. We all know that genetics and nutrition are the keys for trophy situations. Certain places create better odds of book animals. Pike county for whitetails is world renown for its trophies. Arizona seems to be the current place for Elk. The response I was hoping for would be ;" We have terrific genetics and habitat for Eland. We see several individuals that would be Rowland Ward quality. If we hunted hard we might get a crack at one." The other big issue with writing about African hunting is a real reluctance on publisher's willingness to print stories. When was the last time you saw an article about an African hunt? It is even more difficult now, with the unfortunate events surrounding Cecil the lion. Hunting in Africa is truly amazing. The previous plains game hunts I went on were such a joy. On top of the extraordinary hunt was a price tag that was less then a western elk hunt here in the states.
The real challenge of getting an African story published is to present the editor's with something that has unique broad appeal. The record books , Boone and Crockett , Pope and Young, and in the case of Africa , Rowland Ward are hardly incidental propositions. In fact they represent , as you pointed out, a real completion of a hunters dream. The illustration of a book hunt , without breaking the bank is something that fuels the imagination . In that way , it becomes publishable. Those people who believe in African hunting and the glorious place it holds in the history of our sport need to do what they can to preserve it. Getting positive experiences in print goes a long way to that end.
So here you have the long explanation for the short post. A real hard task about being commercially relevant and ethically righteous. An opportunity for a hard working concession that put's it's time and heart into creating a quality management program to help illuminate the current and wonderful opportunities Africa holds.

-Jerry
 
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