Dollar vs Rand: Impact on Trophy Prices and Daily Rates?

Maybe... But if you do the conversions to Rand it looks to me like the hunts end up costing almost the same regardless if it Euro or USD? I am defiantly not an economist and barely qualified to even participate in this thread, but it sure looks to me like listing hunt pricing in different currencies is as much a marketing thing as anything else. Outfitters simply trying to make the planning process as easy for prospective hunters as possible? (And it took ALOT of good Malbec for me to accomplish those conversions by the way!!!:D Beers:)

I think this is it Mekaniks. It is just to make things easy, for everyone.

That being said, if you look closely you can definitely use the exchange rate as a negotiating tool if nothing else. Know what the rate was at the beginning of the season and what it is now and understand the delta. @ActionBob mentioned that there was a deal that specifically mentioned "lowered due to favorable exchange rate." And the price was certainly lowered, but by less of a percent than the exchange had changed. So in pure terms it was a split - hunter gets a better price (in dollars) and outfitter makes more money (in rand). Now I know I'm over simplifying again as inflation etc isn't taken into account. Point being, if you look at the exchange rate alone this deal wasn't quite as good as it appeared, plus there was certainly not a "late season discount." Don't take this wrong, it was not a bad deal, but I didn't think it was a great one either. The buyer must always beware!
 
@Royal27 , I will have to guide you in R.O.H.....dangerous place...
 
@Royal27 , I will have to guide you in R.O.H.....dangerous place...

I've heard that with the current exchange rate of the wisitwuzwirthmor (the national currency of Houtbaai) that an all inclusive elephant hunt can be has for $5K. So even with the danger, I might have to take you up on the offer!!! :E Big Grin::E Big Grin::E Big Grin:
 
@Royal27 , your coffee is getting cold....
 
and what also has to be taken into account is that the currency goes down, and then the people/companies importing goods etc are very quick to put their prices up to compensate for them having to pay more for the goods/products they are importing and selling, so the running costs for the operator go up ..............SA is probably in a better situation as they produce a lot of things and prices are cheaper than other countries, but places like zambia import just about everything...................if someone from the usa went to a supermarket in lusaka they would have a heart attack when they got to the till compared to what they would pay at home.......:eek:
 
and what also has to be taken into account is that the currency goes down, and then the people/companies importing goods etc are very quick to put their prices up to compensate for them having to pay more for the goods/products they are importing and selling, so the running costs for the operator go up ..............SA is probably in a better situation as they produce a lot of things and prices are cheaper than other countries, but places like zambia import just about everything...................if someone from the usa went to a supermarket in lusaka they would have a heart attack when they got to the till compared to what they would pay at home.......:eek:

Mike, as foreigner in Zambia with invested capital you could very easy apply for a "investment license" , and everything you bring in to Zambia connected to the hunting and tourism will be free from import tax and VAT.. but as you say products like beer from the local supermarket... that we need every day... will probably not falling within the frames of the Investment license :(..:confused:.
 
Has anyone taken in consideration that once the the ZAR takes a fall everything in SA start costing more.
Fuel, food etc.

If you are making calculations on USD vs ZAR and being of mind that the outfitter is making more money, you are making a huge mistake. What he makes extra on exchange rate, he pays on unforseen fuel and food costs.
 
gordon i first put money into zambia prob in about 1993/4 so i know about investment licences.we have an investment licence but the way they change their minds over what the tourism industries can bring in is like a yo-yo.........brought 2 vehicles in at the time they said there was no tax/duty whatsoever on anything to do with tourism to assist the industry......well we according to them we were incorrect, as they said it was only valid for a certain period and ours arrived after the cut off.... . by the time we would have argued it using lawyers it would have run up the costs even more so wasnt worth it.........and then there is the great thing that a double cab is a luxury vehicle so you cant claim back the vat even though you will use it for client transfers etc. what i was talking about are food, fuel , parts etc etc..ok you can claim back the vat but in our experience that takes months and months running over a year mostly before you get any back.........regardless of what you can or cannot bring in under whatever scheme zambia is an expensive country.
 
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...Republic of Houtbaai....

So how is that exchange looking these days anyway? Last I checked 1 USD was stuck firmly between 2 Houters.
 
So how is that exchange looking these days anyway? Last I checked 1 USD was stuck firmly between 2 Houters.

o_O:E Shocked: @Diamondhitch you got a lot better rate than me !!!! the rate i got was $20 stuck firmly in between 2 Houters ....mind you the bank was probably more upmarket than yours....:E Big Grin:
 
Great Thread and i think as it has been said already, most of us outfitters quote in USD/EUR/STERLING to simplify it for the client, but if you are prepared to accept a quote in ZAR just ask your outfitter, it is our local currency and i dont see anyone rejecting such a request! Just keep in mind it might bite you in the end if the rand strengthen agains your local currency!!
 
You can tell there a lot of great minds on AH. At least everyone participated in the discussion, kept it civil.
There is always going to be fluctuations, it's international business. They best thing to do is compare services and book your hunt based on services offered. I booked my first hunt and paid in Rand because that is the way the outfitter wanted to be paid, had I known all the possible fluctuations between US and Rand, I might have not done it. At the time, it wasn't changing much, but it could have been an expensive hunt potentially.
 
I still have a few hundred trillion Zim dollars if there is an outfitter out there that would want me to grace their camp.:LOL:
 
Sorry to hear that Mike regarding the vehicles, but I think that ZDA are much more open minded this days, everything have strict roles and if you fallow them things can not go wrong.

But I understand you to not take them to court a case against a government institution is expensive, and lawyers in Zambia cost a fortune to hire, speak to one smart "fancy" caffexx in a Armani suite 4 days ago in Lusaka, he ask for $400 dollar/hour.... :mad::eek:.. and $12.000 paid upfront !! I just turn around and smiled....

So you are right, many things are much more expensive here except from Dr. Livingstone Lager....:ROFLMAO:
 
o_O:E Shocked: @Diamondhitch you got a lot better rate than me !!!! the rate i got was $20 stuck firmly in between 2 Houters ....mind you the bank was probably more upmarket than yours....:E Big Grin:

Those rates tend to be very flexible. :censored:
 
Interesting and timely article. I don't think everything applies as the "export" of hunting is rather an "import" of client, but still relevant I think.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/02/news/economy/global-currency-down-china/index.html

Investing Guide
Who wins when global currencies tumble?
By Patrick Gillespie @CNNMoney

Three ways China's currency plunge affects your money
Currencies are crashing across the globe.
The Brazilian real has lost 28% against the dollar just this year. The Turkish lira 20%, Colombian peso 23% and the Indonesian rupiah is down 11% versus the dollar in 2015.


On the face of it, these are alarming moves. Yet, a lower currency value is something that some countries actually want.

China, for instance, devalued the yuan by 2% last month, its largest move in two decades. Experts believe the prime motivation was to make the country's exports more attractive to international buyers.

Certainly, a weak currency helps boost exports, which can ultimately lift the economy.

"I wouldn't be surprised if we're saying in two years that this currency weakening paved with the way for better economic performance," says Neil Shearing, chief emerging markets economist at Capital Economics.

However, in the short term a falling currency is also a reflection of weakness in underlying countries.

In fact, the dramatic global currency declines are raising the specter of the Asian financial crisis of 1997, which was triggered by the devaluation of the Thai baht, that fell 20% in one day. That crisis reverberated worldwide sending international stock markets to record lows and shook investors' confidence in the region for over a decade.

Related: What's behind China devaluation

What's behind latest currency declines?

The latest bout of currency declines is directly linked to the dramatic drops in commodity prices, unlike the Thai baht crisis, which was spawned by a huge debt-fueled real estate bubble.

Many countries like Brazil are excessively reliant on exporting commodities like iron, copper, soy and oil. And almost all of these commodities have tumbled to six-year lows this year, stemming from falling demand globally, particularly from China.

China's slowdown has put the brakes on its previously-insatiable demand for natural resources.

The currencies fell in value along with the drop in commodities prices.

Add to that the potential Fed rate hike, and global investors are reluctant to move out of dollars into riskier currencies, which is exacerbating their decline.

Related: Brazil falls deep into recession

Weak currency = more exports

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If managed carefully, these weak-currency countries might have the last laugh -- and profit.

A weak currency can eventually spark more economic growth in these two ways:

1. A weak currency makes exports cheaper -- and more attractive -- to foreign buyers.

2. It makes imports more expensive and less attractive to citizens, who are then more inclined to buy local.

Those two actions boost trade, fuel local demand and help economic growth.

"They should see the benefits in their global trade," says Andrew Karolyi, a Cornell professor and emerging market expert.

Brazil, for instance, recently fell into recession. It's currency, the real, has tanked 27% this year. But in the second quarter, Brazil's exports went up 7%, according to Capital Economics.

That's not going to offset all the negative factors, but it's a "glimmer of hope," for Brazil's economic future, says Shearing.

Related: Investors pull $1 trillion out of emerging markets

But beware of a trade war

One Wall Street expert Mohamed A. El-Erian, the chief economic adviser at Allianz, described China's recent currency devaluation as an attempt to "steal" economic growth from other countries.

It certainly is worrisome for countries that China competes with for exports.

Vietnam has already devalued its currency, the dong, for the third time this year after China's move.

The two decisions to devalue currencies raise the potential for a "currency war" where governments across the globe repetitively devalue their currencies in an effort to gain a competitive trade advantage and lead to a dangerous spiral.

Related: The dollar is on its fastest rise in 40 years

Can't afford global goods

What we need to watch out for is if these currencies fall a lot lower.

That's when it starts affecting ordinary citizens, especially in countries that rely on imports for everyday goods. Prices for everything priced in dollars goes up.

Venezuela is a prime example of how bad it can get.

One U.S. dollar equaled 82 bolivars a year ago and now it's worth 698 bolivars, according to dolartoday.com, a website that tracks the unofficial rate.

Related: The U.S. dollar's breathtaking rally in images

Venezuela's economy is in shambles and basic goods like napkins are hard to come by. Earlier this year, officials from Trinidad and Tobago allegedly offered to send tissue paper to Venezuela in exchange for oil.

Sugar, milk and flour are not easy to buy either. That's a problem when 70% of consumer goods are imported, according to the Brookings Institution.

Related: Venezuela's currency is worth less than a napkin

Plunging currencies also make it very hard for countries and companies to pay back debt that is denominated in U.S. dollars. As the currency loses in value, the dollar-denominated debt becomes more expensive and difficult to pay back.

Expensive debt eats away at profits and economic growth.

In the past, emerging economies like Brazil and Thailand suffered from a similar situation when much of their government or corporate debt was in dollars. That's much less of a problem now because they don't have that much debt.

With plenty of headwinds, it could take many of these countries years to turn the corner. But when they move in the right direction, experts say weak currency-related exports could be at the root of that turnaround.

Related: China devalues currency in shocking move.

Related: The strong dollar punishes these companies

CNNMoney (New York) September 2, 2015: 12:22 PM ET


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The United States keeps making decisions that debase the USD.

What is amazing is that the USD is strengthening against most currencies.

Makes you wonder how bad the economies of all these other countries are.

Could world wide belt tightening be on the way?
 
Royal great post about the relationship of currency values, exports and imports. I have not gone to all the links and read every word... But the value of the USD has me very concerned for next year. I'm in Agriculture and strong dollar makes our products more expensive overseas and we lose export volume. That will cost me a whole lot more than any amount of hunting I could do in a year.

It will reduce my input costs as well, but in any good business a reduction in inputs does not have as great an impact as a reduction in revenue. At least if there is a profit margin, such as in hunting.

The good news for general consumers is food and fuel costs are going down in the USA. But is will definitely hurt commodities prices... Well it already has. That will slow economic activity or at last productivity. Consumers will have more buying power until it effects employment. I don't think the US consumer will increase buying enough to offset the export losses, but it does help take the edge off. Things do look pretty bleak in Ag and Oil in the US right now... Those will effect the amount of money spent by US hunters.
 

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