Ban on Leopard and Lion hunting lifted - Zambia

fairgame · May 20, 2015

Restricted quotas of Leopard have been issued for this hunting season and Lion for 2016. Here there be monsters.

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spike.t · May 20, 2015

fairgame said:
Restricted quotas of Leopard have been issued for this hunting season and Lion for 2016. Here there be monsters.

monsters......now andrew i wouldnt say you looked that bad.......... :E Lol:

ps nice leopard :D Cheers:

Ridgedog · May 26, 2015

Picture doing the rounds on Zambians facebook. Don't know if this hunter might be a member here. Looks like a few people are using his photo to try and drum up support for protests.

fairgame · May 26, 2015

Never seen that one before? Probably Namibia or Bots where problem Lions were allowed to be hunted. What facebook page does this come from?

Ridgedog · May 26, 2015

It was individuals sharing and it happened to be on a friends feed.I'll try and find it.

Ridgedog · May 26, 2015

Couldn't gather much from it except there was some Anglican Bishop Muchombo sharing it. I did come across this though. Doesn't look like it'll get anywhere.

https://www.change.org/p/person-min...b-xs-share_petition-reason_msg&fb_ref=Default

rookhawk · May 26, 2015

Ridgedog said:
View attachment 42344 Picture doing the rounds on Zambians facebook. Don't know if this hunter might be a member here. Looks like a few people are using his photo to try and drum up support for protests.

Sigh.

Another hunter doing us in. Tip: if you're going to hunt lion, a species of concern, don't brag about it and post a trio of cats in a single photo to Facebook. It looks excessive and gratuitous to the general public.

More self inflicted wounds to our already battered PR.

BRICKBURN · May 26, 2015

rookhawk said:
Sigh.

Another hunter doing us in. Tip: if you're going to hunt lion, a species of concern, don't brag about it and post a trio of cats in a single photo to Facebook. It looks excessive and gratuitous to the general public.

More self inflicted wounds to our already battered PR.

Does that hunter in the picture look like a Facebook lover to you!?

Someone steals a picture and away it goes. No story, no name, no location, no proof.

Pictures are stolen and abused all the time. Sad really.

Ridgedog · May 26, 2015

I tracked the photo down to a South African outfit. Must have been there that Anglican church Bishop guy stole the photo from. Now the leader of the main opposition political party is getting in on it and issuing statements against it.

BRICKBURN · May 26, 2015

It has blasted around the world on Twitter. The next poster child for antis.
Reverse search the image and poof.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ZAMBIA

rookhawk · May 26, 2015

All may be true. It is similar to revenge porn, the victim wouldn't be a victim of she didn't allow inappropriate pics to be taken in the first place.

Good judgment prevents people from granting others the opportunity to make them victims.

BRICKBURN · May 26, 2015

rookhawk said:
All may be true. It is similar to revenge porn, the victim wouldn't be a victim of she didn't allow inappropriate pics to be taken in the first place.

Good judgment prevents people from granting others the opportunity to make them victims.

Should Andrew remove his Leopard picture? Where is the line?

I for one hope there are a host of pictures next year of Leopard and Lion legally hunted in Zambia

instead of this type ignominious end:

spike.t · May 26, 2015

or this.....a young leopard we found dead in a snare when i was involved in piamanzi wildlife reserve in the luangwa..............

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IdaRam · May 27, 2015

rookhawk said:
All may be true. It is similar to revenge porn, the victim wouldn't be a victim of she didn't allow inappropriate pics to be taken in the first place.

Good judgment prevents people from granting others the opportunity to make them victims.

@rookhawk I gotta call you on this one amigo. I think you are wrong on many levels here with your analogy. Judgement on your part of two consenting adults activities in the bedroom... Blame the victim for engaging in what you deem inappropriate behavior and give a pass to the wrong doer...
So this gentleman in the pic with the lions should never have had his picture taken with animals he hunted and harvested? Why not? It is possible he never posted the pics anywhere on the internet and never intended for their use by anyone but himself. If this turns out to be the case, where has he done anything wrong that would warrant our criticism? If the lions were hunted legally and this guy didn't intend for circulation of his photo on the internet, we should be supporting him not condemning him.
Seems like we don't know the facts here. Given that, maybe we should withhold judgement.
I do agree with you that pictures of a gratuitous nature and in poor taste do not help our cause at all.

PeteG · May 28, 2015

Just read this article in one of the online news thingymabobs.

http://www.lusakatimes.com/2015/05/28/big-cat-hunting-decision-irreversible-jean-kapata/

Big Cat hunting decision irreversible – Jean Kapata
May 28, 2015 12:46 pm

Tourism and Arts Minister Jean Kapata has charged that Zambia will not bow down to pressure and reverse the decision to allow hunting of Big Cats.

Mrs Kapata said threats by international charity Lions Aid to report Zambia to the EU and the US for a possible ban of its tourism products are nonsensical.She said Zambia is a sovereign state that will make its own decisions in the best interest of its people.

Mrs Kapata said the decision is final and no amount of pressure from anyone will force the PF government to change its stance on the matter.

In an interview, Mrs Kapata wondered why people are putting pressure on Zambia when other countries have continued Big Cats hunting.

‘Zambia is a sovereign nation and our neighbouring nations have been doing Cat hunting and they are not talking about those countries. As Minister of Tourism, I know that those that are talking too much are the ones that lost the bid for hunting blocks and they have now gone to lobby NGOs so that hunting is stopped.I will not listen to such,’ she said.

She maintained that hunting of Big Cats has always been done in Zambia adding that the reason it was lifted was because there were no regulations.

‘Now we have the regulations, we are saying only hunt two and no hunting of young ones. So please, we are not going to be bow down to pressure from NGOs, we are doing it for the communities so that people can benefit from the resources.’

She said it is nonsensical to threaten that Zambian tourism products will be banned from the EU and US markets.

‘’Let them go ahead and report, that is all I can say, let them go ahead and petition us. We have nothing to do with that ourselves.’

She added, ‘We are not saying we are going to kill all Lions and Leopards. We did an aerial survey and we have more Lions and Leopards and we are only hunting those that are old that are out of the pride.’

good to hear she is taking a stand against the anti hunting crowds...

bluey · May 28, 2015

wish some other government officials, had as much balls as that lady !!!

spike.t · May 29, 2015

here we go !!!!!!! this is from an online zambian newspaper zambia weekly http://www.zambia-weekly.com/

EU to take a stand on Zambia’s hunting ban?

LionAid, a charity dedicated to the conservation of lions, intends to ask the European Union “to place a ban on Zambia lion hunting imports”, arguing that the country cannot justify commercial off-take of lions based on its “paltry” lion populations. The charity claims Zambia has fewer than 400 lions left, while Minister of Tourism and Arts Jean Kapata last week explained that an aerial sur-

vey had established that Zambia has over 4,000 lions in the wild. LionAid said it would appeal to the US authorities to do the same.

Zambia lifted its ban on hunting of big cats last week in order to raise funds. The ban included both lions and leopards, but currently the lions are raising the most dust, as Zambia allegedly has a more viable leopard population of over 8,000 animals. The ban was imposed in January 2013 by Kapata’s predecessor, Sylvia Masebo, who also fired the top management of the Zambia Wildlife Authority (ZAWA), andcancelleda tender for 19 of Zambia’s 23 hunting blocks.

The lifting of the ban caused consternation amongst conservationists, who remain doubtful of ZAWA’s capability to monitor the hunting industry, which is rife with stories of bribery, corruption and dubious hunting methods. They want to know more about the new guidelines for the hunting industry. Last week, Kapata explained that the guidelines will be enacted through a statutory instrument, and that they have been found effective inneighbouringcountries. This week, she gave a few details, explaining that government had cut down on the numbers of big cats to be shot, although her statements were confusing: “Previously, hunters were allowed 5 cats in the hunting block, but now we are not allowing more than 2 cats per person,” Kapata explained, but added that “only 46 cats will be killed in the 23 hunting blocks, as only 2 will be allowed per hunting season”. Irrespective of the fact that there is a big difference between 2 cats per hunter and 2 cats per block, and that it is unclear whether or not ‘cats’ refer to lions and leopards, ZAWA Head of Research Chuma Simukonda stated in 2013 that 55 felines were hunted every year in Zambia before the ban. Withlicencesto shoot a lion costing around $25,000, 46 cats could translate into $1.1 million to government.

PeteG · May 29, 2015

spike.t said:
here we go !!!!!!! this is from an online zambian newspaper zambia weekly http://www.zambia-weekly.com/

EU to take a stand on Zambia’s hunting ban?

LionAid, a charity dedicated to the conservation of lions, intends to ask the European Union “to place a ban on Zambia lion hunting imports”, arguing that the country cannot justify commercial off-take of lions based on its “paltry” lion populations. The charity claims Zambia has fewer than 400 lions left, while Minister of Tourism and Arts Jean Kapata last week explained that an aerial sur-

vey had established that Zambia has over 4,000 lions in the wild. LionAid said it would appeal to the US authorities to do the same.

Zambia lifted its ban on hunting of big cats last week in order to raise funds. The ban included both lions and leopards, but currently the lions are raising the most dust, as Zambia allegedly has a more viable leopard population of over 8,000 animals. The ban was imposed in January 2013 by Kapata’s predecessor, Sylvia Masebo, who also fired the top management of the Zambia Wildlife Authority (ZAWA), andcancelleda tender for 19 of Zambia’s 23 hunting blocks.

The lifting of the ban caused consternation amongst conservationists, who remain doubtful of ZAWA’s capability to monitor the hunting industry, which is rife with stories of bribery, corruption and dubious hunting methods. They want to know more about the new guidelines for the hunting industry. Last week, Kapata explained that the guidelines will be enacted through a statutory instrument, and that they have been found effective inneighbouringcountries. This week, she gave a few details, explaining that government had cut down on the numbers of big cats to be shot, although her statements were confusing: “Previously, hunters were allowed 5 cats in the hunting block, but now we are not allowing more than 2 cats per person,” Kapata explained, but added that “only 46 cats will be killed in the 23 hunting blocks, as only 2 will be allowed per hunting season”. Irrespective of the fact that there is a big difference between 2 cats per hunter and 2 cats per block, and that it is unclear whether or not ‘cats’ refer to lions and leopards, ZAWA Head of Research Chuma Simukonda stated in 2013 that 55 felines were hunted every year in Zambia before the ban. Withlicencesto shoot a lion costing around $25,000, 46 cats could translate into $1.1 million to government.

Yep, more trouble on the horizon.
I've been following the comments and questions from Lion Aid to Andrew Baldry on Facebook this morning. Some valid questions, some absurd assumptions and a general lack of fundamental understanding of the workings of a rural community!

Dont know how Andrew remains civil, my fuse is evidently much, much shorter!!

Ridgedog · May 29, 2015

PeteG said:
Yep, more trouble on the horizon.
I've been following the comments and questions from Lion Aid to Andrew Baldry on Facebook this morning. Some valid questions, some absurd assumptions and a general lack of fundamental understanding of the workings of a rural community!

Dont know how Andrew remains civil, my fuse is evidently much, much shorter!!

I saw that letter to him on facebook this morning.The one they're demanding he replies to.

spike.t · May 29, 2015

good for andrew.....but trying to educate/get through to these people on the reality of how it works in a community in the bush, with people who live with DG animals and with their actions against them, their livestock and their crops, and the benefits/compensation, jobs that the hunting brings seems like :A Bang Head:

.....an impossibility

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