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Amon458 · Apr 30, 2015

So I was at the local gun store and stumbled across what seems to be a good deal just want some oppinions first as I have no real use for the rifle it is a Winchester 458WM with a vortex scope all brand new never been fired just wondering what you guys would consider fair for it.

gizmo · Apr 30, 2015

Id be in at about $1100. Just my opinion tho

matt85 · Apr 30, 2015

first some questions:

1. is it a push feed Winchester or a controlled round feed Winchester?
2. what model and power is the scope?
3. by new do you mean lightly used or actually new in the box?

the price could range from $800-$1400 depending on the answer to these questions.

-matt

shuter · Apr 30, 2015

Damn you all! I have an "as NIB" Ruger RSM .458 Lott on the way...damn you all. I know, I know, when in my grubby hands I will post pics. Damn you all.

matt85 · Apr 30, 2015

shuter said:
Damn you all! I have an "as NIB" Ruger RSM .458 Lott on the way...damn you all. I know, I know, when in my grubby hands I will post pics. Damn you all.

im glad to hear the big bore addiction group was able to help you! let us know when your ready for something that starts with .5. :P Devil:

also, looking forward to those pictures!

-matt

sierraone · Apr 30, 2015

Amon458 said:
So I was at the local gun store and stumbled across what seems to be a good deal just want some oppinions first as I have no real use for the rifle it is a Winchester 458WM with a vortex scope all brand new never been fired just wondering what you guys would consider fair for it.

If the rifle is a new FN/Winchester .458, they cost around $1395. The Vortex scope could be anywhere from $200 to around $2000, depending on model.

IdaRam · Apr 30, 2015

shuter, can't wait to see them pics

matt85 · Apr 30, 2015

sierraone said:
If the rifle is a new FN/Winchester .458, they cost around $1395. The Vortex scope could be anywhere from $200 to around $2000, depending on model.

$1395 is too much for a new Winchester unless your talking after tax and shipping. i got mine for $1100 which is pretty standard. you can get them new from Buds Gun Shop for $1195. but i agree the scope price could vary by alot depending on model.

i wouldnt pay more then $900 for a used Winchester in 458 WM. more then $900 and it becomes a better deal to buy one new for $1200. (i always prefer new)

-matt

Amon458 · Apr 30, 2015

I dont know how you would classify the gun it was a special order with the scope combo when the guy came to pick it up he said that he didn't want it so the gun has never left the store and I believe that the scope was around the $500 mark

matt85 · May 1, 2015

Amon458 said:
I dont know how you would classify the gun it was a special order with the scope combo when the guy came to pick it up he said that he didn't want it so the gun has never left the store and I believe that the scope was around the $500 mark

hrm... no offense intended but that story sounds kinda funny.

ive seen gun stores and pawn shops try to pass used guns off as "new" because they looked unused. are the scope, rifle, rings, and mounts still in their factory boxes or are they assembled together?

if the gun has a scope installed and is not in its factory box but still looks new then i would call it lightly used. as for whats its worth, that would depends on exactly what scope, rings, and mounts are on it. mind telling us exactly how much they want for it?

-matt

Amon458 · May 1, 2015

The store doesn't sell used guns and they want $1400 for it and no offense taken I have a 458lott so I don't really have a use for this rifle just was curious if this was a really good deal or just ok.

matt85 · May 1, 2015

$1400 may or may not be a decent deal depending on the scope, rings, and mounts. if the gun is fitted with Leupold or Talley (or equal quality) quick detach rings/mounts and that scope is one of the 1-4x24 Viper's then $1400 is a pretty good deal assuming its all in excellent condition.

-matt

shuter · May 1, 2015

If this is a new Safari Express (FN-made), $1,200 out the door would be a very good price. The cheapest "DG" type scope that Vortex makes is the crossfire, which is $250 street price. Assuming standard/decent mounting system then, (another $50, minimum), we're at $1,500. If the scope is a viper, add another $200-$250. Bottom line: It's an excellent deal if the rifle is what I think it its. BUT, if the scope setup isn't desirable, I'd rather have a naked rifle for $1,200-$1,250 and add the optics I want; otherwise you're stuck trying to sell a scope.

matt85 · May 3, 2015

just got back from the double rifle shoot in Alaska and boy what a hoot that was! first, I want to thank AkMike for inviting me and carting me, Velo Dog, and my friend Dennis around. id also like to thank every one who generously let me shoot their rifles!

I had a chance to shoot some outstanding double and single rifles in a wide variety of interesting chambering's. to name a few that I had a chance to shoot: 577/500 BPE, 577 BPE, 458 WM, 450 NE, 500 NE, 600 NE, 12 bore, 10 bore, 8 bore, and 4 bore. i did a TON of shooting and im sure my shoulder will hate me for the next couple of days but i loved every minute of it!

as promised here are some pictures of some of the guns at the shoot:

577 BPE and 500 BPE

4 bore shot shells and round ball cartridges along with some original 600 NE cartridges

some double rifles!

more double rifles

BIG guns!

double pistol!

more BIG doubles

and of course more rifles

big cartridges to feed those big rifles!

and of course lunch!

-matt

spike.t · May 3, 2015

so come on matt what was your favourite, and you must have been itching to keep some of those big bullets?

matt85 · May 3, 2015

spike.t said:
so come on matt what was your favourite, and you must have been itching to keep some of those big bullets?

i think my personal favorites at the shoot were the 577/500 BPE and the 500 NE. the guns over 50 cal were fun to shoot but i don't see myself packing them around Africa, they are just too heavy. the 4 bore rifles where probably the most fun to shoot but were so heavy that it was very difficult to keep the rifle on target. the 8 bore and 4 bore guns weren't loaded full tilt for safety purposes. however, some day id like to take a crack at shooting full power loads. if memory serves me right the 4 bore at this shoot was loaded with 1400gr round bullets being fired at 1500 fps.

here are some videos of me shooting some kickers:

me with a 8 bore:

me with a 4 bore (didn't realize i was wearing my safety glasses until i fired the rifle):

me with a 600 NE (easily the hardest kicker at this shoot!):

-matt

Timt · May 3, 2015

Those look like alot of fun to shoot matt!

Did the 600NE kick as bad as people say or is it tolerable?

matt85 · May 3, 2015

I only fired the 600 NE twice but in my opinion with a bit of practice it wouldn't be too hard to get used to the recoil.

-matt

Royal27 · May 3, 2015

I was about to ask where the videos were!!!!

Now I've got to go downstairs and watch them as Nancy is still asleep and already has a sinus headache. if I watch them here I will know what that .600 hits like.... :A Banana Sad:

Royal27 · May 3, 2015

Ok, you can see the difference with the .600 for sure. Not only is there more obvious recoil, but the speed of recoil is obvious too.

Thanks for sharing Matt!

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