Good Gun Deals This Week

[rookhawk]

Here’s a pic or two. Mauser, but win70 is actually a modified Mauser. You can see the claw extractor of a CRF rifle from the top or the right side. If the bolt is smooth like a rem 700, it’s not CRF.

 

[sestoppelman]

Another thing to watch for is bolt jeweling like both those above I believe are, one for certain. The bolt body often gets that treatment but the Mauser extractor if present usually not.

 

[rookhawk]

Another Dumoulin I found:

Dumoulin, no engraving (that I can tell) in .416 REM , with a Swaro 1.25-4x24 scope on a pivot mount. For 3250€ (=about 3350USD) in an excellent condition.

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I like the looks of the rifle aesthetically, but on a collector and price value, I hate it. A rem416 is a cartridge built to fit into a standard action, so it means the maker could use $100 action like a rem 700 or a military surplus Mauser. Why anyone buys a fancy gun that gets away with a cheap action, I have no idea. The 416 remington was made, just like the 375 Ruger, as a marketing ploy to get the public to buy guns cheap to produce because they didn’t want to expend the costs to build on a magnum length action. I never want to add support to the cartridges designed as a way to cut corners.

The real McCoy is a 416 Rigby. All things being equal, a 416 Rigby will be a much more valuable gun. It will also be easier to find ammo in-country if yours goes missing.

Just to give an extreme comparison: a military Mauser action can be had “in the white” unfinished for as little as $125, whereas a double square bridge magnum Mauser action “in the white” costs nearly $5000. Which gun will you buy used if they are priced similarly?

 

[VertigoBE]

I like the looks of the rifle aesthetically, but on a collector and price value, I hate it. A rem416 is a cartridge built to fit into a standard action, so it means the maker could use $100 action like a rem 700 or a military surplus Mauser. Why anyone buys a fancy gun that gets away with a cheap action, I have no idea. The 416 remington was made, just like the 375 Ruger, as a marketing ploy to get the public to buy guns cheap to produce because they didn’t want to expend the costs to build on a magnum length action. I never want to add support to the cartridges designed as a way to cut corners.

The real McCoy is a 416 Rigby. All things being equal, a 416 Rigby will be a much more valuable gun. It will also be easier to find ammo in-country if yours goes missing.

Just to give an extreme comparison: a military Mauser action can be had “in the white” unfinished for as little as $125, whereas a double square bridge magnum Mauser action “in the white” costs nearly $5000. Which gun will you buy used if they are priced similarly?

I’m going to have a look at that Hubert Vereecke in 416 Rigby on Saturday. I’ll keep you updated.

 

[chslongrange8]

Every day’s a school day! Thought you had to actually look at the boat face to tell. Thanks man!

 

[mdsalern]

These looked reasonable. All African and from the same seller.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=3298362

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

These looked reasonable. All African and from the same seller.

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?IncludeSellers=3298362

Seller is an AH member as well I believe? @ay2626

 

[ay2626]

Seller is an AH member as well I believe? @ay2626

You are correct. These are my listings. If anyone here is interested I’m happy to make a deal. I posted to gunbroker as there have been similar items for sale here recently without much interest. I know for certain there is another one of the 375 Rugers currently posted in the classifieds.

 

[Woodcarver]

Found what looks like a virtually new CZ550 Safari Magnum in 375H&H at an LGS. Can't find a mark on it, either the wood or metal, other than it looks to have had scope rings on it at some point. Checkered laminate stock with cheekpiece but without crossbolts. Made in 2004. Hooded front sight. $1199. Thought it was a good enough deal I brought it home. No pics yet.
Have a couple questions. What is the difference between the Safari Magnum and the Safari Classic? Was the laminate stock offered from the factory? Or has the stock been replaced? I can only find reference to various grades of walnut being offered.

 

[krish]

Found what looks like a virtually new CZ550 Safari Magnum in 375H&H at an LGS. Can't find a mark on it, either the wood or metal, other than it looks to have had scope rings on it at some point. Checkered laminate stock with cheekpiece but without crossbolts. Made in 2004. Hooded front sight. $1199. Thought it was a good enough deal I brought it home. No pics yet.
Have a couple questions. What is the difference between the Safari Magnum and the Safari Classic? Was the laminate stock offered from the factory? Or has the stock been replaced? I can only find reference to various grades of walnut being offered.

That that is a good deal. The laminated stock was offered at one time for a short time. I have few 416 rigby's and 458 lotts in them. They are good for harsh enviornment. I have not tried them in that kind of environment. All mine says classic. At one time in early 2000 the CZ Safari classic's were made to order. Then came the safari magnum. My assumption is the original actions were from Europe and saf magnum actions were machined here in us. The safari classic actions are smoother and functions flawlessly for me. That is my experience.
Kris

 

[rookhawk]

This is sort of the opposite of a "Good gun deal of the week" but I post it here because it illustrates a flawed thinking of an uninformed dealer.

Ostentatious doesn't equal valuable. Nor does the modern replacement cost of engraving. As a general rule, guns with ornately carved stocks are virtually impossible to sell as a matter of taste.

Here is a rifle that would be very hard to sell for $20,000 because its somewhat impractical and in a very common smallbore caliber, ,.270 Winchester.

As over-the-top as this gun is, guns of this type on the continent are fairly common and I've personally bought guns 1/2 this quality for ~$3000.

It can be yours for the low, low price of a quarter of a million dollars!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927508869

 

[WAB]

Wow, so tempting but I think I’ll pass. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me that is hideous.

 

[davidg8480]

WOW I guess someone could appreciate it

 

[Randy F]

This is sort of the opposite of a "Good gun deal of the week" but I post it here because it illustrates a flawed thinking of an uninformed dealer.

Ostentatious doesn't equal valuable. Nor does the modern replacement cost of engraving. As a general rule, guns with ornately carved stocks are virtually impossible to sell as a matter of taste.

Here is a rifle that would be very hard to sell for $20,000 because its somewhat impractical and in a very common smallbore caliber, ,.270 Winchester.

As over-the-top as this gun is, guns of this type on the continent are fairly common and I've personally bought guns 1/2 this quality for ~$3000.

It can be yours for the low, low price of a quarter of a million dollars!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927508869

As my wife would say...It's too "busy" for me.

 

[Woodcarver]

This is sort of the opposite of a "Good gun deal of the week" but I post it here because it illustrates a flawed thinking of an uninformed dealer.

Ostentatious doesn't equal valuable. Nor does the modern replacement cost of engraving. As a general rule, guns with ornately carved stocks are virtually impossible to sell as a matter of taste.

Here is a rifle that would be very hard to sell for $20,000 because its somewhat impractical and in a very common smallbore caliber, ,.270 Winchester.

As over-the-top as this gun is, guns of this type on the continent are fairly common and I've personally bought guns 1/2 this quality for ~$3000.

It can be yours for the low, low price of a quarter of a million dollars!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927508869

+$35 to ship it! lol

While I like carved stocks (obviously) and good engraving, I am not a fan of the heavy, deep, european style of carving such as this. This rifle is impressive from the standpoint of quality (and quantity) of work, but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

 

[rookhawk]

+$35 to ship it! lol

While I like carved stocks (obviously) and good engraving, I am not a fan of the heavy, deep, european style of carving such as this. This rifle is impressive from the standpoint of quality (and quantity) of work, but certainly not everyone's cup of tea.

In defense of the engraver, Stogner is a "big deal". He engraved a lot of K80s and is associated with the Krieghoff / Live Pigeon crowd. I appreciate that. I appreciate that K80s can be very pimpy guns as its one of the few shooting sports where you can handle an exhibition grade gun and not damage it much through regular use. That being said, a K80 or K32 of this quality, engraved by this guy, in a Live Pigeon shotgun that has 1000x the demand from affluent buyers will not fetch anywhere near this price tag. Maybe 20%-30%.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

This is sort of the opposite of a "Good gun deal of the week" but I post it here because it illustrates a flawed thinking of an uninformed dealer.

Ostentatious doesn't equal valuable. Nor does the modern replacement cost of engraving. As a general rule, guns with ornately carved stocks are virtually impossible to sell as a matter of taste.

Here is a rifle that would be very hard to sell for $20,000 because its somewhat impractical and in a very common smallbore caliber, ,.270 Winchester.

As over-the-top as this gun is, guns of this type on the continent are fairly common and I've personally bought guns 1/2 this quality for ~$3000.

It can be yours for the low, low price of a quarter of a million dollars!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/927508869

@rookhawk
For that price I could buy a nice bespoke Holland and Holland royal double 2nd hand or go the cheaper version and get the basic H&Hdouble new in the caliber I want.
Bob

 

[Woodcarver]

In defense of the engraver, Stogner is a "big deal". He engraved a lot of K80s and is associated with the Krieghoff / Live Pigeon crowd. I appreciate that. I appreciate that K80s can be very pimpy guns as its one of the few shooting sports where you can handle an exhibition grade gun and not damage it much through regular use. That being said, a K80 or K32 of this quality, engraved by this guy, in a Live Pigeon shotgun that has 1000x the demand from affluent buyers will not fetch anywhere near this price tag. Maybe 20%-30%.

The workmanship is amazing. My bet is, it is also what the client requested when this rifle was built. I very much appreciate the time and skill to do this kind of work, both on the metal, and on the wood. But it's definitely not a popular style on this side of the pond.

 

[curtism1234]

Never heard of this site but they have norma solids in 458lott, 416taylor, and 416remmag 10 for $50

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[SkullKeeper]

Another Dumoulin I found:

Dumoulin, no engraving (that I can tell) in .416 REM , with a Swaro 1.25-4x24 scope on a pivot mount. For 3250€ (=about 3350USD) in an excellent condition.

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Wonder if this Dumoulin is still available?