220 swift for big game?

[Forrest Halley]

@geoff rath
What about matching the caliber to the shooter. I would prefer to hunt with someone who is comfortable with their 6.5 the give them a 30 cal they are afraid of.
Bob

Is this the long awaited approval of the Manbun? Hark the herald Ozzie sings! Glory to the new born king! Or queen...as those people tend to be quite indecisive and prone to keeping their options open...And now for something... completely different!

 

[Rocco490]

And yet here you are... This time equating things with boxing gloves? Perhaps we should all get really angry and run up to the game with 12 oz gloves for small game, MMA gloves for medium game, and deerskin gloves for big game? Personally I really enjoyed your .28 Nosler safari idea though... Up next the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch...

Anyone not laughing at this idea isn't reading about the African Hunting so much. I believe this was tried and it ended badly. They got away with it, but shot a whole lot of bullets.

Yupp and here I am again due to your ludicrous summarization of my previous post....... I made that post to try and explain how significant the delivery mechanism is for the effects on the target of which the energy is being transferred. You said I was "equating things with boxing gloves?" e·quat·ing. to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent
My post was intended to prove to great effect (and I believe for everyone besides you it succeeded) that despite having comparable energy values being delivered to the target, due to the different delivery methods of this energy the damage/effects are so unequal it is comical. Glad you at least understood and enjoyed my safari example.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Is this the long awaited approval of the Manbun? Hark the herald Ozzie sings! Glory to the new born king! Or queen...as those people tend to be quite indecisive and prone to keeping their options open...And now for something... completely different!

@Forrest Halley
Don't be a Muppet mate it was approval of the 6.5 Swede.
Me thinks you have been drinking to much hooch agin Forrest.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yupp and here I am again due to your ludicrous summarization of my previous post....... I made that post to try and explain how significant the delivery mechanism is for the effects on the target of which the energy is being transferred. You said I was "equating things with boxing gloves?" e·quat·ing. to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent
My post was intended to prove to great effect (and I believe for everyone besides you it succeeded) that despite having comparable energy values being delivered to the target, due to the different delivery methods of this energy the damage/effects are so unequal it is comical. Glad you at least understood and enjoyed my safari example.

@Rocco490
Y'all have to forgive @Forrest Halley. He us likely to over think things when he is bored the he is shit stirrer.
He is also a bit deluded as he actually believes the 243 is a game cartridge.
In a way I have to agree with him you have to be game to be seen with one.

 

[Forrest Halley]

Yupp and here I am again due to your ludicrous summarization of my previous post....... I made that post to try and explain how significant the delivery mechanism is for the effects on the target of which the energy is being transferred. You said I was "equating things with boxing gloves?" e·quat·ing. to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent
My post was intended to prove to great effect (and I believe for everyone besides you it succeeded) that despite having comparable energy values being delivered to the target, due to the different delivery methods of this energy the damage/effects are so unequal it is comical. Glad you at least understood and enjoyed my safari example.

In reading the post previous to your post where you said you'd not participate further in this thread further as stated in your previous post(I couldn't find it), I became confused and figured that you were operating with a sense of humor. Therefore, I felt confident that my pokes would be received with a similar sense of humor. It is unfortunate that my remarks caused such sensitivity and agitation. I'm feeling like I went hunting with a rifle unsuitable for the game indeed. I'm now at an impass as to whether I should apologize or not as it might cause you to further compromise your fervent resolve by replying yet again to this thread. Nonetheless, I extend to you my apologies for any harm done. All the best!

 

[WAB]

So how about my .17 Remington for moose? At 4,000 fps surely it would hydrostatically shock them into oblivion!?

 

[WAB]

Sorry, it’s after 5 PM, you get the idea…

 

[Hogpatrol]

So how about my .17 Remington for moose? At 4,000 fps surely it would hydrostatically shock them into oblivion!?

Only if you're using heavy for caliber bullets, 30 grain & up.

 

[gbflyer]

So how about my .17 Remington for moose? At 4,000 fps surely it would hydrostatically shock them into oblivion!?

Moose are rather…how do I say…dumb, especially during the rut. He’d probably stand there and let you line-up a head shot. I’m sure it would do the job.

 

[JimP]

So how about my .17 Remington for moose? At 4,000 fps surely it would hydrostatically shock them into oblivion!?

A monolithic bullet like a TTSX and finding the soft spot behind te ear and all should be good.

But my question is, is there a soft spot behind the ear of a moose?

 

[geoff rath]

So how about my .17 Remington for moose? At 4,000 fps surely it would hydrostatically shock them into oblivion!?

Strangely enough; I read of a bloke in the N T who used a 17 Rem on a water buff, loaded with 25grain machine-turned copper solid; one into the brain, dropped on the spot.It CAN/COULD be done, but for an ethical hunter why, for F/Sake ??

 

[geoff rath]

A monolithic bullet like a TTSX and finding the soft spot behind te ear and all should be good.

But my question is, is there a soft spot behind the ear of a moose?

Didn't know Barnes produced 17 Cal bullets ...

 

[shark_za]

Are Springbok regarded as big game?
I have shot a few with a .222 and a .22-250. My buddy owns a farm and uses these where there is no wind blowing.
Id use the .22 Savage Hi-Power aka 5.6×52mmR in the bush on small animals like Impala and Warthogs but its 70gr bullets give it a much bigger advantage over anything in a .220 Swift or other .22 cal loadings.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Didn't know Barnes produced 17 Cal bullets ...

If they don’t, maybe they should? They need to compete with Hornady and Nosler for the .17 big game market.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Are Springbok regarded as big game?
I have shot a few with a .222 and a .22-250. My buddy owns a farm and uses these where there is no wind blowing.
Id use the .22 Savage Hi-Power aka 5.6×52mmR in the bush on small animals like Impala and Warthogs but its 70gr bullets give it a much bigger advantage over anything in a .220 Swift or other .22 cal loadings.

@shark_za
Speer has been making a 70gn .224 semi pointed spitter for years specifically designed for the 22/250 and swift for use on white tail deer.
I used this bullet in a Remington 788 22/250 on pigs and goats to great effect back in the late 70s. The bullet was designed for the slow twist barrels of the day.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

If they don’t, maybe they should? They need to compete with Hornady and Nosler for the .17 big game market.

@CoElkHunter
I can see Hornady advertising now
17 cal DGX and DGS for sale.
The ultimate in straight line pin hole penetration. Devastating performance on all large game.
Ha ha ha ha ha
I just wonder how many people eould believe it.

 

[Code4]

NO. I once had a Remington 700 Classic in .220 Swift. It's very much a 'specialist' cartridge in my opinion. Matched with good optics it can't be beaten for accurate/one shot, small pest eradication. A Grendel would be far more versatile.

 

[WAB]

@shark_za
Speer has been making a 70gn .224 semi pointed spitter for years specifically designed for the 22/250 and swift for use on white tail deer.
I used this bullet in a Remington 788 22/250 on pigs and goats to great effect back in the late 70s. The bullet was designed for the slow twist barrels of the day.

That’s the bullet I used to hunt deer as a poor college student who only owned a .22-250. I would only do it out of necessity, but it was effective.

 

[Hogpatrol]

One of my PHs, a farmer, told me when he was a youngster, his father would give him seven .22 LR rounds and when he came back with seven springbok, he'd graduate to a centerfire. He claimed to have killed a lot of them with that round but it took some time before he got the seven. Along those lines, my father told me that during the Great Depression, the 22 rimfire was used to kill whitetails in the mountains of Pennsylvania. Hunting ethics and one shot kills were secondary to putting food on the table.

 

[Forrest Halley]

One of my PHs, a farmer, told me when he was a youngster, his father would give him seven .22 LR rounds and when he came back with seven springbok, he'd graduate to a centerfire. He claimed to have killed a lot of them with that round but it took some time before he got the seven. Along those lines, my father told me that during the Great Depression, the 22 rimfire was used to kill whitetails in the mountains of Pennsylvania. Hunting ethics and one shot kills were secondary to putting food on the table.

The problem with always preaching hunting ethics and the one shot kill ethos is that neither of them prepare you for when it all goes wrong. This creates hesitant people who are afraid to pull the trigger and just wade in and sort it out. I don't believe that one must always shoot and that one shouldn't strive for the most instant and ethical kill. For the love, be ready to keep shooting and get a little dirty in the process.