The Shikar Which Left Horrifying Scars In Us All

Thanks for giving me and gramps tribute , Mr. Rahman :D . I got that Weatherby Mark V ready for ya ;)
BTW , just finished reading my latest Peter Capstick novel . Now that guy was a REAL man :p He killed lions using bird shot to stop charges. You and Mr. Karim could really learn a thing or two about how to properly shoot DG with buckshot from him :p . If he can take a lion's head off with bird shot , he could have easily taken that leopard's head off with birdshot too. Hell , he wouldn't even need buckshot ! Great guy. :)
Hoss Delgado
On a related subject , what is a real man and a fake man ?
 
Thank you for another excellent report.
 
Hoss Delgado
How much does a lion weigh ? Please forgive me if l am mistaken , but l do not think that it is physically possible to decapitate a panther , much less a lion with bird shot .Bird shot is for shooting birds . I cannot fathom how bird shot would do anything to a great cat , except anger it. Can you send me a soft copy of the book written by this Mr. Capstick ? Just the page which describes this killing of great cats with bird shot will do. I can assure you that even though l am marginal in my skills as a Shikari , that Karim was extremely competent in his work. If neither Karim nor l had success with SG cartridges being used on dangerous animals , then that means that it is not a reliable penetrator . I am not as competent as Mr. Capstick , but Karim cannot be that incompetent as well.
He killed 'em with # 7 1/2 birdshot ! It was a charging lioness :D
I wonder what he would think of you guys not being able to stop leopards with 0 buck shot ;).
BTW a lion weighs around 500 to 550 pounds :)
 
He killed 'em with # 7 1/2 birdshot ! It was a charging lioness :D
I wonder what he would think of you guys not being able to stop leopards with 0 buck shot ;).
BTW a lion weighs around 500 to 550 pounds :)
Hoss Delgado
Number 7.5 bird shot is even smaller than number 6 . You cannot kill a charging cat with this shot size. Mr. Capstick must have been very lucky. No doubt , he is more skilled than l . But l do not see how number 7.5 shot can kill any dangerous animal
 
Kawshik, is it possible that some of the 7.5 bird shot penetrated through the lion's eyes and entered the brain?
 
Kawshik, is it possible that some of the 7.5 bird shot penetrated through the lion's eyes and entered the brain?
Shootist43
Yes. I did not think of that possibility . I am afraid l have no experience with lions , so it would be very bold and unethical of me to make assumptions. But if a lion weighs 500 pounds , which is equal to a Royal Bengal tiger , and a Royal Bengal tiger can withstand SG cartridges being fired at it's head in many circumstances , l am genuinely amazed how number 7.5 shot would work on a lion. I am most interested in knowing more.
 
Kawshik, I'm not an avid shotgunner and don't reload shot shells. I do know that there is a lot of individual pellets in a 12 Ga. shell using number 7.5 shot. Like you I'm doubtful that the shot penetrated the lion's scull, but some pellets going through one or both eyes into the brain seems to me to be the only possibility.
 
Kawshik, I'm not an avid shotgunner and don't reload shot shells. I do know that there is a lot of individual pellets in a 12 Ga. shell using number 7.5 shot. Like you I'm doubtful that the shot penetrated the lion's scull, but some pellets going through one or both eyes into the brain seems to me to be the only possibility.
Shootist43
Yes. It is used for doves in Bangladesh . We also use it for competition skeet type targets shooting. The pellets are so small. I doubt it would kill a man , unless you shot him in the throat . A lion is very improbable. Your theory is a very sound one. What it implies is that the shot could have got into the brain through an already existing orifice , like the eye holes . I agree. It does seem like the only way
 
I suspect Hoss Delgado might be joking, partly. It is also possible that Mr. Capstick has slightly exaggerated his successes during his exploits in Africa.

Lions are large. Not nearly as large as tigers, though.
 
I suspect Hoss Delgado might be joking, partly. It is also possible that Mr. Capstick has slightly exaggerated his successes during his exploits in Africa.

Lions are large. Not nearly as large as tigers, though.
Perttime
I cannot think of any way a number 7.5 cartridge can kill a lion except through sheer luck. Yes , it must be a joke of some sort.
 
Very scary report! So glad Jeddiah survived and was brave enough to return to tracking! He obviously loved it!
On a side note, Mr Capstick was known for embellishing his stories to keep the reader interested. At close enough range, a full high velocity load of 7.5 birdshot can do serious damage, but penetrating a lion skull would require a lot of luck I would think. Possibly destroy a neck vertebrae would be possible and more likely. At point black range the small shot still in the wad possibly acts more like a solid lead slug.
 
Very scary report! So glad Jeddiah survived and was brave enough to return to tracking! He obviously loved it!
On a side note, Mr Capstick was known for embellishing his stories to keep the reader interested. At close enough range, a full high velocity load of 7.5 birdshot can do serious damage, but penetrating a lion skull would require a lot of luck I would think. Possibly destroy a neck vertebrae would be possible and more likely.
Ridge Walker
Thank you so much for appreciating the account. We all loved what we did . Hunting dangerous animals is in our blood. It is akin to riding a roller coaster at an amusement park. It is terrifying but enjoyable.
Regarding Mr. Capstick , your theory is sound. Neck region and spinal column might be possible , but a shot that penetrated a lion skull seems a little extreme to me.
 
Mr Rahman, I believe that Mr Delgado is attempting to make a joke about Mr Capstick embellishing his tales, tho I don’t think his tone is appropriate to take with a gentleman like yourself.

Your friend being attacked so terribly, recovering and going back to track dangerous game again is as brave as anything I have ever heard. What an amazing man your friend Jeddiah must have been.

Do you mind if I ask you a few more details? Such as how many days of the year you use ally spent guiding hunts? Were most clients after dangerous game or were most after fowl and deer? Did your firm charge significantly more for certain animals? I would guess that a tiger would be the most expensive? What was your favorite animal to hunt? Which animals that you hunted were your favorite to eat? Were there always 2 professional hunters assigned to a client?

Please forgive all the questions but I am fascinated!
 
Mr Rahman, I believe that Mr Delgado is attempting to make a joke about Mr Capstick embellishing his tales, tho I don’t think his tone is appropriate to take with a gentleman like yourself.

Your friend being attacked so terribly, recovering and going back to track dangerous game again is as brave as anything I have ever heard. What an amazing man your friend Jeddiah must have been.

Do you mind if I ask you a few more details? Such as how many days of the year you use ally spent guiding hunts? Were most clients after dangerous game or were most after fowl and deer? Did your firm charge significantly more for certain animals? I would guess that a tiger would be the most expensive? What was your favorite animal to hunt? Which animals that you hunted were your favorite to eat? Were there always 2 professional hunters assigned to a client?

Please forgive all the questions but I am fascinated!
Ryan80
Firstly , do not ever insult me by asking for forgiveness , my new friend . It is my pleasure to interact with an enthusiastic and appreciative young gentleman like yourself .
Let us assess each of your questions in a chronological order :
Question one :
Shikar season in old India used to last seven months from the fifteenth of November to the fifteenth of June . It was only during monsoon season that Shikar was closed. Therefore , we professional Shikaris were pretty active throughout . I would guide clients every day of the week except on Friday , which was my day off. Typically after guiding one client , l would take two or three days off before getting ready to guide the next one . Shikar was ( and obviously still is ) something which l used to enjoy very much
Question two
We had a roughly equal number of clients who would come to Darjeeling for Shikar of dangerous animals and animals for eating . We had many combination packages deals which would allow a client to secure different animals on one trip . For instance , a client could ( on a single trip ) secure a Sambhar deer and also a hunting leopard , like my client did in the photograph below.
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Infact , most clients would come for Shikar to Darjeeling to secure at least two , three or even four different species of animals in one trip.
Question three
Oh yes . We charged different rates for different animals . Your speculation is most accurate . My outfitting firm would charge the most for a Royal Bengal tiger .
Among dangerous animals , my firm would charge the least for the Darjeeling bush boar , because these animals were always a threat to the crops of local farmers and therefore people wanted these beasts gotten rid of , in the cheapest manner possible. Here is a Darjeeling bush boar killed by one of my clients .
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Question four
My favorite animal to hunt ( of the dangerous sort ) would have to be , without a doubt , the Royal Bengal tiger.
Hunting these great cats required a great deal of skill . My best Royal Bengal tiger Puroshkaar ( trophy ) was this last one which l shot , in 1969.




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Question five
My favorite animal to eat of all time , would have to be the Nilgai ( or blue bull , as you English speaking gentlemen may know it ) . The loin of Nilgai , grilled to a perfect medium doneness and seasoned with fine grain salt , freshly ground black pepper and a little paprika , makes for very good eating . In modern times in Bangladesh , my favorite animal to eat will have to be , without a doubt , the Chital deer . Their skins are also exceptionally beautiful , as a lovely little souvenir . Here is my best example .
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Question six
There was no hard and fast rule about two professional Shikaris always needing to be present with the client . This would vary depending on the particular set of circumstances . For instance , suppose it is a slow week at Sundar Raj Shikar Limited ( my outfitting firm ) and there are not too many clients to guide . Then , two professional Shikaris could be assigned to guide a client for Shikar.
However , suppose Shikar season is heavily underway ( Like February to April , during which time Sundar Raj Shikar Limited would get their most clients ) . In such cases , Sundar Raj Shikar Limited could typically only spare one professional Shikari per foreign client . For dangerous animals , we would typically try having at least two professional Shikaris guiding the client , for safety and precaution .
I feel honored to answer all of your enthusiastic questions . So please do not hesitate even the slightest to ask any questions as you see fit .

And yes . Jeddiah was a tracker like no other ! He was more than just a tracker . He was like family and without him , l would not have even a fraction of the successes which l did . Without him , l probably would have ended up losing a great deal of animals and my clients' animals as well !
Poton has an old advertisement of his Shikar outfitting firm , listing all of the animals which they would offer . Perhaps , it may interest you if he can share it here ?
@Major Khan could you please be a good fellow and share Allwyn Cooper's brochure with Ryan80 please ?
 
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It will be my privilege , Kawshik.
@ryan80 , below l have provided a scanned copy of a brochure card of Allwyn Cooper Limited , which was my outfitter in Nagpur , India . You can see all the different animals which Allwyn Cooper Limited would offer foreign clients for shikar .
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My outfitter was the largest and most well organized shikar outfitter in India at the time .
A classic " Fur & Feather " package would cost a client the equivalent of $ 5000 American Dollars ( all inclusive ) .
It would allow a client to secure water fowl and a royal Bengal tiger . This is just 1 example of all the packages which we had to offer. If you humor me by naming a particular animal from the brochure , then l can easily tell you what the quotation for guiding a shikar for that species would be .
A similar package deal from Kawshik's outfitters ( Sundar Raj Shikar Limited ) would cost $ 4200 American Dollars ( All inclusive ) , because Kawshik's outfitters were more economical than Allwyn Cooper Limited .
 
WOW! At that time I was in college working 4 hours a day in the tool room for the university and 8 hours at night as janitor in the local hospital. I was making $1.25 per hour.
$5,000 was a dream! My first house only cost $12,000! Your clients must have done very well for themselves.
In 1972 a new Ford F-250 4x4 fully loaded (which wasn’t much!) was $5,000.
 
WOW! At that time I was in college working 4 hours a day in the tool room for the university and 8 hours at night as janitor. I was making $1.25 per hour.
$5,000 was a dream! My first house only cost $12,000! Your clients must have done very well for themselves.
In 1972 a new Ford F-250 4x4 fully loaded (which wasn’t much!) was $5,000.
Indeed they were , Ridge Walker . To be fair however , they were mostly gentlemen above 35 or 40 years old . So l always suspected that they were gentlemen of means . And they always tipped us heavily .
 

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