Has your PH ever sent you out without him?

[sestoppelman]

My PH in Botswana, now deceased, sent me out in a makoro into the Okavango several times in search of sitatunga with just the polers, apparently he didn't swim I was told later. He also put me on a lion bait with just myself and the tracker carrying a .458Win. PH was back in the truck reading, a couple hundred yards away. When I look back on that it makes me wonder wth he was thinking. The delta is full of crocs and hippos which we saw all the time out there, and lion hunts have been known to go sideways on occasion. Long time ago and Willie is long gone too. Fantastic experience.

 

[mrpoindexter]

I'm not going to get along with you cheque book Hunters. As a ph said to me once, "hunting is the only sport that you don't have to be good at to be successful, you just pay someone else to be good at it."

If South African PHs are so highly skilled, explain why they require African trackers again? Why is it that when game is taken the tracker gets called? I've seen many PHs rely very heavily on their African assistants. I'm sure I'll be in good hands with a tracker...

If I was hunting in a 1000 acre pen I would need little more than a white cane.

Keyboard hero's.

I met the SCI Hunter of the year on a hunt once.
The most obnoxious person I've ever met.
He shot the leg off his leopard and was too fat to track it.
Then he wounded a giraffe and his PH had to track it for hours to finish it off.
Then he demanded he be put on a 60" kudu so one was"arranged" for him (ie released).

Then he left without tipping his PH.
Yes I think that I will just enjoy my own company.

I am not a PH in Africa, but if I was and you were at my ranch, I might decide to not hang out with you either. From the few posts of yours I have seen, you come across as very condescending. Maybe you are not like that in real life so perhaps it is the font you used? One day, I hope to be as proficient a hunter as yourself where I can hunt blindfolded in a 1,000 acre concession and be successful, but then again, to be successful, you don't need to be good, right?

Just a couple points I would like to make and will do so in one message to keep it clean:

PH's have many reasons to hire trackers, much like I hire somebody else to mow my lawn. I know how the mower works and can do a great job. I just have more valuable uses for my time.

I hope this thread does not get deleted. Sometimes it is nice to see something that is in stark contrast to the usual atmosphere here so that we can readily appreciate how nice it is in the rest of the forum.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Man I didn't check this thread after the first few responses where it was determined it was illegal. I kept wondering why this thread kept popping up under new posts, lol, seems like it escalated quickly.

Also, just a point of reference Brickburn is Canadian not American, hence why he is an extremely polite moderator.

 

[mrpoindexter]

Let me make it easy for you.

If you have :
A) shot an animal from a vehicle
B) shot an animal behind wire without a reasonable chance of escape
C) released an animal (eg lion) for the purpose of hunting that animal.
D) done your hunting from the vehicle rather than walking
E) bragged about how far you can shoot an animal from
F) shown little respect for something you have shot
G) hunted with a spotlight

You are not a hunter.
You are on a shopping trip and relying on someone else to shoulder the responsibility. This is why the public by and large detest trophy hunting.
Wake up.

If you are:
A) in a wheelchair - are you not a hunter because you cannot roll your chair through the African sands?
B) what is reasonable? Apparently, you feel that 1,000 acres is a cage. That is bigger than the nation of Monaco. I have been there and had a hard time finding my friends before...
C) So pretty much all lion hunts that are not wild lions? Which means 100% of all lion hunts in South Africa...
D) No argument from me here - except for people in wheelchairs or otherwise physically impaired.
E) Bragged about how far you CAN shoot? Not HAVE shot, but CAN? So if I have never shot an animal over 64 yards but state that I can hit one from 100 yards, I am guilty? (I use a bow, so that is actually a very long shot)
F) Do I have to show respect to vermin?
G) Have not done that, but would that also apply to hunting feral pigs in Texas? Does doing that once forever taint you as a hunter?

The public detest trophy hunting because they have bought into the message of the animal rights group. Many of them think we just shoot the animal, chop off its head, leave the carcass to rot and just nail the head to a board and put it on the wall. They don't know anything that hasn't been told to them by PETA, HSUS or a multitude of other animal rights groups. If you hunt the animal on foot in a fair chase, shoot it from 30 feet away with a bow while it was charging you and killed it instantly, donated its food to the starving in North Korea and used its skin to give warmth to homeless people freezing on the streets in Chicago, the animal rights activists would STILL hate you. And those zealots are controlling the vast majority of the air time and dictating the conversation.

 

[Savage Hunter]

did I accidentally sign on to AR instead of AH?

 

[daved]

did I accidentally sign on to AR instead of AH?

lol that's funny

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

I just came upon this thread today, expecting the usual civil and informative exchange I've become accustomed to on AH.

Things were going along in this thread as usual. I learned it most definitely is illegal to hunt outside a PH's supervision in South Africa.

But then you showed up, Andrew, and things went south. You play the victim card poorly and without originality. First, you show disrespect to the forum moderator. Then it was, "Alas, poor me! I'm being threatened with censorship."

You, sir, are in another man's house. This is not a public forum, it's a private one. We are all here by the grace of the owner.

I didn't have a dog in this fight, but man, you've made it hard to stay impartial. I predict you aren't likely to last much longer, unless you change your approach.

 

[Jacques.strauss]

Dear Fellow hunters...

I just want to point out that it is illegal in Namibia to hunt without a Professional Hunter (PH), Hunting Guide or Master Hunting Guide... On top of that, each three of the above mentioned levels of licensed guides/PH's need an additional qualification to be able to guide Bow Hunters.

The problem is when something goes wrong... It will be the PH's fault, since you are truly his responsibility.

On another note... My best advice would be to ask your PH or Outfitter to show you the permits that has been issued to you by the government for your hunt to insure that the correct paper work is in order. I have heard of too many oufitters and PH's that do not have the correct permits at the time the hunt is taking place, which is illegal. It can get both client and PH in a tight spot with the government & authorities.

My best
Jacques

 

[dobber]

your first comment on this thread condones illegal activity and you take that as a compliment

 

[Pheroze]

May I make a suggestion? Can we all back away from the fight and take a deep breath? This one has spiraled way off. My genuine hope is that on another topic, at another point in time, the discussion will be less personal.

 

[Andrew Jones]

May I make a suggestion? Can we all back away from the fight and take a deep breath? This one has spiraled way off. My genuine hope is that on another topic, at another point in time, the discussion will be less personal.

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Best idea I've heard so far.

 

[Andrew Jones]

your first comment on this thread condones illegal activity and you take that as a compliment

Just to clarify, as I have stated several times the offer was made to me because of the relationship I formed with the owner and the PH. I didn't know it would be illegal but as yet haven't had an opportunity to take them up on it.

Yes, I took it as a compliment that they would trust me to be self sufficient. If it is illegal then I won't be taking it up. If you guys had engaged in a fair factual discussion rather than a witch hunt you would have possibly been more understanding of that.

Someone uses strong language with me, I'll reply in kind.

 

[Jfet]

Dear Fellow hunters...

I just want to point out that it is illegal in Namibia to hunt without a Professional Hunter (PH), Hunting Guide or Master Hunting Guide... On top of that, each three of the above mentioned levels of licensed guides/PH's need an additional qualification to be able to guide Bow Hunters.

The problem is when something goes wrong... It will be the PH's fault, since you are truly his responsibility.

On another note... My best advice would be to ask your PH or Outfitter to show you the permits that has been issued to you by the government for your hunt to insure that the correct paper work is in order. I have heard of too many oufitters and PH's that do not have the correct permits at the time the hunt is taking place, which is illegal. It can get both client and PH in a tight spot with the government & authorities.

My best
Jacques

... and besides keeping you out of Namibian jails and preventing you from stepping on poisonous snake Jacques cooks a great steak. See you in about a month my friend.

 

[billc]

Phil I can not believe you do not always agree with me. LOL I have differences with a few people and agree with some. But it is always nice to see we can put those difference aside as Phil has when I had question on reloading. I know I cross the line sometimes but would help anyone on here if they needed help.

Andrew I think the biggest thing your missing is your on here telling us all you have no problem breaking a law hunting on your own but then tell us all the reason some of us are not hunters by the way we hunt. I have seen a few of your post and they all invite some kind of response that is not really liked on this site. Sad to say I am one of the guys who will reply even when I know I should let it go. Bad trait of mine.

As I have learn to do I will just stop from posting on your comments and move on. Good luck and enjoy the site.

 

[siml]

@Pheroze , I agree with you, ceasefire and let's rather get back to the actual topic.

 

[Wheels]

Phil I can not believe you do not always agree with me. LOL I have differences with a few people and agree with some. .

On a cold boring winters night when there is nothing on tv, one of the simple pleasures of life is watching you and Phil hit that ping pong ball back and forth across the threads of AH. Occasionally Royal will rotate in to give Phil a bathroom break. I am glad you disagree with some people, including me some times. It has given me many hours of cheap entertainment.

 

[BenH2016]

One of the earlier posters questioned why he can go on a photographic safari alone but requires a PH for a hunting safari.

In my experience animals that inhabit hunting areas can behave differently to those that are in areas where no hunting takes place. If these animals are dangerous animals (elephant, hippo, buff, lion etc) you will be well served to have an experienced companion along with you.

Being a resident hunter in Zambia I am not required to have a PH with me, even when hunting buffalo, but I would not be in a hurry to go after buffalo or hippo alone. I feel far more comfortable having an armed companion with me.

I have gone alone after bushbuck (I find solitude helps hunting this little guy) and some others but always advise my companions of my whereabouts.

Walking alone in the bush is risky and there are some eventualities that all the experience in the world wouldn't save you from, the sad case of Scott Vanzyl is an example.

 

[AfricaHunting.com]

@Andrew Jones has been banned. I wish I could have done it earlier but I did not have access... Please let me know if he resurfaces.

 

[BRICKBURN]

@Andrew Jones has been banned. I wish I could have done it earlier but I did not have access... Please let me know if he resurfaces.

I'll work on the other chaff.

 

[Royal27]

I'll work on the other chaff.

The avatar change....