Being a gun aficionado, especially for some of the classic cartridges, I just wondered what you all thought about two old timers for hunting in Africa. One is the 8x57 Mauser and the other the .404 Jeffrey. I'm curious if anyone has had experience using them, especially in Africa, and how effective they are. I know both have been overshadowed by more modern and more powerful cartridges, but the point is not which is more powerful, but if these have been shown in modern day hunts to be effective. All feedback, pro and con, is welcome. Just curious.