SAY YOUR SAY - BUILD THE #1 FIRST TIMER HUNTING PACKAGE

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  1. RickP

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    To me, nothing says Africa to those that have only seen Africa on TV than the warthog, blue wildebeest, springbok and impala. Beyond them I think most would like to take a kudu and/or gemsbok once they see them.
    My preference is for a 10 day hunt. After a long flight and a day or two of being out of sync with local time, that'll leave 8 great days of serious hunting.
    Seeing some herds of cape buffalo or eland, plus maybe giraffe.
    Hmm, knowing some ballpark prices, I'm guessing around $8000, maybe a bit less.

    The one thing I will not do is sign up for a hunt with someone who charges prices per inch of horn so to speak. If by chance we to stumble onto a trophy class kudu, well, I just got lucky. Similarly, if I don't "get lucky", I'm not going to ask for a lower price. Truely, they're all trophies on your first hunt anyway but you know what I mean.
    In general, my thought is that bringing kids and teenagers would be a waste of money unless they were really into hunting. I say this as a friend has two early teen daughters and they got bored on a drive through a game park that only lasted a couple hours.
    Bring your own as you'll be most comfortable with the gun you're used to. Using a pre-registration service is highly recommended.
    For some reason, I've always thought that $200/day for an observer was a bit steep as they're not doing anything extra than that which is required for the hunter. By that I mean, most don't need special meals, nor extra rooms (assuming a spouse or hunting partner share a room), no extra gas, etc. that should increase the cost. So they'd be paying for laundry, bedding, food, and drinks.

    $400/day 1 PH per 1 hunters seems fairly standard and not totally unreasonable though less is better especially when repeated over 10 days.
    I've had the PH or one of his PH partners that we'd be hunting with come pick me up. I really enjoyed that but he *was* the outfitter so to speak so we were used to dealing with him anyway. Plus the drive from the airport to the camp with the PH gives you some time to get accustomed to each other and start asking questions about what is expected, what you'll see, etc. before you get into the field and time might be of the essence where there may be no time to ask specifics.

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    As a first timer planning my safari I am interested about 5 animals Kudu, gemsbok, Impala, Springbok, and Zebra. The possability of adding extra animals if the desire arises would be nice.
    The lenght of the hunt I would like is 7-10 days depending on number of specie and side excursions.
    I want to experiance the local culture and if the family comes along somethings to keep them occupied is needed.
    Price just needs to be competative.
    I would prefer to take my own rifle but having a rifle available as a backup would be nice.
    Pickup at the airport by the person I have been dealing with would be very nice. Someone familiar to help would be a comfort.
    A detailed list of what to bring and what is supplied at camp.
    I want to know the total cost up front. Don't Nit Pik with a bunch of misc charges. Being able to pay with a credit card is a plus.
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    There are many outfitters on this forum that can and no doubt will, offer to help with something that works for you. There is also a list of outfitters here as well for various countries. Good luck!
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    I took my first African hunting trip last year and chose South Africa with Spiral Horn Safaris. I thoroughly enjoyed myself and plan to return, somewhere, in 2015.

    Pros:
    - PH called me couple months before the hunt to discuss expectations, answer questions, and put any concerns to rest.
    - PH corresponded extensively on bullet selection for the Cape Buffalo hunt.
    - PH met us at the airport, swiftly got us through firearms processing, took us out for dinner with his wife along, and got us to a historic B&B to overnight. The B&B was built by the same man who designed the Voortreckers Monument so the PH took us there at my father's request.
    - Lodging was good...food was GREAT!!! My father, who never ever eats desert, joined me on the hunt...and finished his desert every night.
    - The only thing I had to pay when leaving were trophy fees. I would never hunt where "alcohol in moderation" was not included. I'm working so hard I drink far more water than beer or wine, but I don't want to run a tab each evening.
    - We were treated like honored guests from start to finish...and after three days they finally let us pour our own drinks and bring dirty plates to the sink.
    - I wanted a "down day" after we took the Buff so the PH arranged for us to visit a game farm where we could photograph animals not seen on the hunt; Rhinos, Sable, Kudu, etc... No extra charge, just a relaxing half-day at a nearby farm.
    - At my request, PH took us by Zimbie's(?) so I could buy a stateside friend a knife and myself some hunting books.
    - PH took us out one night to call for predators.
    - PH's brother is a taxidermist. We dropped off animals on our way to the airport. Trophies were completed in 6 months and I expect them to ship shortly.
    - When I complimented the PH on the food & accommodations, he replied "I must control the things I can control." When neither he nor I were happy with one of the three properties we hunted, he quickly "made a plan" he and I were satisfied with.

    My Preferences as a 1st Timer:
    - I met my PH at a stateside African Sporting Expo in an adjacent state.
    - Cape Buffalo (had to justify my owning a DGR), Zebra, Blue Wildebeest, and Impala.
    - Hunt area did not require additional flights once at J'burg.
    - No mileage fees and no nickel-and-dime add-ons.
    - Scheduled 9 hunting days just to make the long flights worthwhile.

    Things I'll ask for next time:
    - Terrain with some elevation changes; I'm a mountain boy at heart.
    - Visits to some Brit/Zulu and/or Boer/Brit battlefields.
    - More discussion during the actual hunt (e.g., tell us what the tracker just said/saw, etc...).
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    To everyone who participated on this thread. Wow, this is a vast amount of information I have to summarize and decipher. However, I want to and through this exercise give you the hunter the best possible African Hunting Experience there is.

    I want to thank you, I appreciate every thought, every piece of advice, every two "cents" as some would say and all together your commitment to once again only give the best of yourselves to the hunting industry.

    I have learned a lot out of all the posts and there will be some significant changes on how a modern business is being run, and yes the only constant in life is change so I am sure, the changes that this post will bring forward will be to the benefit of each and every one of you!

    See it this way, you just made an investment into Tootabi Hunting Safaris success and you will see your investment grow! Whenever any of you decide on coming to SA again, let me know take me up on this post and I will give you all dividends on your investment.

    Looking forward to any more tips and advice.

    Keep well,
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    Guess I'm a little late to the party but doing hours of reading and research over the last few months I realized a few things.

    First and foremost I want a final price. I'll tell you what I would like to the best of my knowledge, since I'm a first timer I can't see where anyone could expect me to know everything I want since there are likely things I don't even know about. As a outfitter you know better than me what things I will need to do outside of the actual hunting and I would hope in my final price you would account for this.
    Example: I need a ride from the airport, its a long walk I'm sure to your place, figure this in if its something you charge for.

    I don't care how its broken down as long as I get a price, minus tips of course, and that covers me from off my plane to back on my plane.

    I would like a gun available if needed I would rent one but mostly I bow hunt.

    If you help me get my trophies to the taxi I feel your part is done. I will deal with payment to him with him.
    To me the image that pops in my mind when some one says "hunting Africa" is a zebra. Kudu, wart hog, and impala seem they would be pretty standard for a first timer also.

    I don't drink and would let my PH know this. I'm not against it by any means its just something in my past and personally don't worry about that part of the deal. I do how ever eat like a teenage boy and most meals are about half of what I eat in a setting. I doubt this matters much as I've heard that food is not an issue on most safaris.

    I would just like to call an outfit and say my wife and I would like to stay with you, I will hunt 7 days for zebra, kudu, gemsbock, and wart hog, for example and my wife would like to shop a day and see a sight for a day.

    As an outfitter you would know what this would take to accomplish on your end so I could get a final price.
    Part of the process for me is working toward a goal of amount of money needed. I understand flights and additional cost but I would feel like I'm getting somewhere if I was told, this hunt will be $7500 say, so then I would look forward to getting that amount in my account toward the hunt.

    I see so many different things from outfit to outfit that are charged for and not charged for it hurts my brain trying to keep up with it. A final price with no nickle and dime stuff would be great.
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    Lots of good stuff here!

    One thing I did not see, but would appreciate: If the outfitter would send the hunter a list of commonly used words/phrases in the native language/dialect (of the PH/trackers), with the translation to the hunter's native tongue.

    I would love to be able to communicate at least in a rudimentary fashion, with regard to the words handy in a hunting situation. Even if it is just to eavesdrop on the tracker/PH when they are discussing a plan, or where exactly to look to see that kudu! Or maybe I can know when they hit me with that statement "this guy can't hit an eland on the butt with a banjo"! :p

    Such a list could be studied for the year most of us have prior to embarking on that first safari. We could get a jump on the language barrier.

    Something tells me knowing a little bit of the language would really add to the richness of the whole experience. The list would help us focus on the most useful words/phrases.


    Tim
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    Good luck with that one. I've been twice and only remember two words. One was something like lentz which I think means left and the other was the f-bomb which was close enough to the english version that one recognized it. ;)
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    Not sure how much I would grasp either, if I tried to do it while focusing on the hunt.

    That is why I think it might be a good idea to poke away at it for the year prior to leaving.
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    I Hear the F-Bomb said in 3 languages in my Deli Kitchen on a Daily Basis It will be good to add Afrikaan to the list after I get Back from Hunting SA:D
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    One thing that I forgot was that you need to get to try some biltong. We had some springbok sausage sticks and some stringbok biltong. Both were very tasty. But with the biltong, one needs to break off a small enough bite so that you'll have enough saliva to rehydrate it and make it able to be swallowed. ;D Good stuff!
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    CMC, you definitely made a point. Having a total amount to and from the aeroplane will surely make everything so much easier and fun. I have noted this and will surely do this in future.

    Thank you for your valued input!
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    Hallo Tim,

    This is most definitely something one can try and put together. We should perhaps start a new thread on this first with some comments?

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