Next "Designer" Trophy?

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  1. Diamondhitch

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    Apparently there is a breeding herd of Leucistic Zebra at Mt Kenya. How long before SA game ranchers are importing them and selling them as Golden Zebra???

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    just got in and had 1 or 2 grey goose and coke, so i am very impressed at how you managed to spell lookistic....:D. please tell me what it means.:draught:
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    If there is a price, someone will pay it. Getting kinda outta hand with the breeding/crossbreeding, don't you think? They have been doing it with dog's for centuries though so, whatever float's your boat. looking at the photo, it would make a great throw rug???? right??
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    35 how you doing, ? my mate is a kenyan so i will ask him how we can get some...:draught:maybe we can cross breed them with some white lions..?:heh:
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    spike.t : Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin.
    Easiest way to tell - are the eyes still normal colour or have they gone pink? Pink means its an albino.

    Hope this helps.
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    thanks david for that info. i would never have been able to google that spelling at 3am !!:eyecrazy:
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    Sorry, I didnt think about the sobriety impared when writing that, I should have expalined. LOL Thanks David for the explination.

    As soon as I saw this I thought of the Golden Gemsbok or Wildebeest or whatever it was that was offered for $15000 TF, I imagine its only a matter of time on this one as well.
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    I think we as people will always pay for "different".

    Black pearls, black swans. The human mind is intruged by those that are different, even the best selling comics/movies are "different" (X-men, Spiderman, The Hulk etc) I believe it makes our mind run wild at the thought, and those that can afford it will take it.

    I dont know if I have a problem with it. I mean golden wildebeest were first seen in 1930, I believed they were then called "vos wildebeest" by those that saw them. My grandpa has never stopped telling us about the black impala he saw in the 50's in Namibia. If memory serves right, Dr Dirk Neethling caught black impala in the early 90's in the Waterberg area and started breeding them with normal impala to get splits and so it went on. At around the same time a gentleman by the name of Barry York bought a farm out in Madikwe area and actually found some of the golden wildebeest running around on the farm and again the same happened.

    So whether or not I am against it, I am unsure, I dont hate them put it that way, some of the colour variations are actually beautiful in my honest opinion - but they are expensive, there is no doubt, and those that can afford them will probably hunt them at some stage, and the more that are bred, the more the price will fall and maybe more people can afford it eventually. Its the same as the sprinbok colours (four as far as I know) and they are now affordable, and now many hunters are after them. I know I wouldn't mind a black impala, or even a golden wildebeest (a true one, not the red stuff some are breeding now...) in my trophy room one day.
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    As someone who loves zebra hunting! I think the one above is ugly....not for me unless it was dirt cheap.
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    Have to agree! This zebra just doesnt appeal to me
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    I find nothing wrong with the above Zebra but I think a big part of what makes a zebra so beautiful is how striking the bold black and white stripes compliment each other. Not to mention they promote racial harmony! LOL
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    Let's go get'em. Look's like the one in the picture is about to drop (give birth). Eric I love the Zebra as well, looking forward to one on 2014....
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    It's nice to see Kenya is hording, and not manipulating the species.
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    LOL

    When your wildlife is decimated and all you have left is a few white zebras, you tend to become a hoarder.
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    So true! Hard to believe that the anti's still fight it, but they cant seem to explain how Kenya's numbers are the only ones that haven't increased... Yet they are "non-consumptive"... Oh well
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    And I find that to be the interesting thing about the different ones. I think the Zebra is beautiful. I would not however; want to hunt one that had been "captively bred" and certainly wouldn't pay a premium for it. That's just my opinion though and have no issue with anyone that does as long as the hunt is fair chase.
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    Its not hard to beleive. In their world the clouds are made of cotton candy and Lions hold hands and dance with Zebra.
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    I am completely against the intensive breeding of any of the "Funnies". Should a hunter come across one of them in the wild, that makes it a unique trophy. The breeding of these variations is a abomination of good conservation ethics. How can anyone justify the breeding of animals with recessive genes (read weak genes) and believe it is going to do any good for animal genetics. When money becomes the sole purpose of conserving animals and this is the only reason people are breeding these oddities the true conservation movement loses one more foot hold with the greenies, yes, those bastards with cotton candy clouds and lions kissing zebras.
    I might catch some flack for this post but I stand by my guns on this topic.
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    I think you raise a very good point. Selective breeding is nothing new. Humans have been involved in it for centuries, especially with domestic livestock and even pets. I've seen a lot of 'designer exotic pets' suffer as a result of this and it's pretty much guaranteed that intensive breeding of these designer animals will result in poor quality, genetic stock.

    I'm not against hunting them. But in fifty years from now, how healthy will these white blesbok and copper springbok be?

    Someone earlier mentioned hybrids. What animals are being hybridised to provide stock for hunting? Hybridisation does not appeal to me at all though.

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