New lion regulations USFWS

[Royal27]

Every once in a while someone posts about the end of hunting being near and that it won't exist in ten years etc....

The above few posts is exactly why that will never happen, not across the board (there are certainly species that it can and is happening with).

We perform a service to the government, and provide a revenue stream in the process. Does anyone really believe that any government wants that revenue stream to go away, much less for the government wants a cash flow positive occurrence to become cash flow negative? ??

So people will keep saber rattling, but hunting isn't going away. Just like Congressman saber rattling about Congress making to much money, while on the way to the bank to cash his check.

We MUST remain vigilant and fight, but all hunting is not going away.

 

[tigris115]

I think we should get together and build a grassroots PR campaign that comes out in full, open arms support of trophy hunting. I'm not seeing too much from the big groups like DSC or SCI so I think we should get some talent together and take fate into our own hands

 

[BRICKBURN]

"There is something severely wrong with the human species today... Something that has kept me from expressing/sharing anything over past few months. With the recent banning of legal trophies and uplisting of the lion, I am afraid there is no turning back now. I simply challenge the same people who are celebrating to take stock of the current number of Wild lions and check again in five years from now... Congratulations! You've managed to decimate all hope of sustainability of the Wild Lion outside of National Parks."
Greenleaf Tanzania

What Ryan said!

 

[BRICKBURN]

"To everyone that jumped up an down about CECIL . Thank you for pushing the African lion to extinction . Lions are now just common vermin in Africa and the AFRICANS will kill them at will as they no longer have a hunting value ."

 

[AfricaHunting.com]

 

[BRICKBURN]

Suffice to say that if this is the drivel coming out of this law school, it needs some serious revision to the list of "scholars" that is allows to lecture.

Stanford Report, April 1, 2014
Stanford students help protect endangered species in Africa


Stanford students helped the Obama administration develop a national strategy to fight wildlife trafficking, ............... focused on a multi-level solution involving laws, communities and economics.

UBELIEVABLE, UNSUPPORTED STATEMENTS.

"Sport hunting poses the most significant risk to wildlife populations whose numbers are depleted."

These are the advisors to the President in the US.



Stanford Report, August 3, 2015
New U.S. policies can discourage trophy hunting, Stanford expert says


Stanford legal scholar David J. Hayes says that the American government and policymakers can take measures to help reduce sport hunting of endangered wildlife populations around the world.

BY CLIFTON B. PARKER

The sport of trophy hunting big game animals can pose a big risk to depleted populations of endangered wildlife, a Stanford expert says.

Andy Loveridge
In this undated photo, Cecil the lion rests in Hwange National Park, Zimbabwe. His recent killing has put a spotlight on sport hunting in Africa.

The recent shooting of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe this past week has sparked a national debate over the nature of big game hunting and poaching in Africa.

David J. Hayes, a visiting distinguished lecturer at Stanford Law School, said the United States can discourage such hunting by listing lions as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Hayes serves on the White House Advisory Council on Wildlife Trafficking, and he led a 2014 student practicum at Stanford that developed a new approach to saving endangered wildlife.

Stanford News Service interviewed Hayes on the subject:



What went wrong in the Cecil the lion case? Was the killing legal?

It appears that the killing of Cecil the lion was illegal, primarily because Cecil was lured out of a protected area, Hwange National Park, and killed. Enforcement officers at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service are attempting to locate the U.S. hunter who killed the lion so they can question him.



What should be done about African countries allowing hunters to kill big game?

The killing of Cecil the lion has put a spotlight on sport hunting in Africa.

Sport hunting poses the most significant risk to wildlife populations whose numbers are depleted. That is why sport hunting of species that are categorized as "endangered" under the Endangered Species Act – like African elephants – is restricted, and is not allowed by U.S. authorities in countries that cannot demonstrate that they are managing their wildlife populations sustainably. Last year, for example, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service disallowed the importation of elephant sport hunting trophies from Tanzania and Zimbabwe because of a concern that those countries were collecting large hunting fees without ensuring overall health of elephant populations within their borders.

Currently, African lions are not categorized as "endangered" and, as a result, the U.S. does not limit lion hunting in African countries, nor does it limit the importation of lion trophies into the U.S. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service has proposed to list lions as endangered under the Endangered Species Act and, if finalized, restrictions on lion hunting would kick in.



What can the American government and policymakers do?

The "uplisting" of African wildlife by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service as endangered can reduce hunting pressure by limiting the countries in which such hunting is allowed to those that are effectively managing their wildlife. Also, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service can restrict the number of individual trophies that can be imported from qualifying countries within a given year, as it did recently for African elephants.

As a more general matter, the government and policymakers should step up their review of how responsibly African nations are managing hunting practices, particularly for wildlife populations that are under stress from poaching, loss of habitat and other conflicts. Also, while some African countries rely on hunting revenues to support conservation efforts, questions about the linkages between hunting funds to on-the-ground conservation activities, and about the amount of funds that are actually funneled to those programs, need to be answered.

The stakes are very high, particularly given the sophisticated criminal syndicates that are operating in many African countries and arranging for the killings of extraordinary numbers of elephants, rhinos, tigers, lions and other species, and then marketing ivory, rhino horn, tiger bone and other wildlife parts in the U.S., Asia and around the world. Independent analyses have indicated, for example, that approximately 100,000 elephants have been killed for ivory in the last three years – or one every 15 minutes.

President Obama addressed this issue during his recent visit to Kenya. He announced that the U.S. is continuing to tighten up our ban on the sale of elephant ivory, and he also announced the formation of a public-private partnership to reduce the demand in the U.S. for illegal wildlife products.



Any other concerns?

One of the major concerns is that the pervasive influence of the illegal wildlife traffickers is corrupting the integrity of African wildlife hunting programs. There have been documented cases in which hunting concessions in Tanzania, for example, have been exploited to provide cover for massive illegal killings and trafficking of wildlife parts.



MEDIA CONTACT
David J. Hayes, Stanford Law School: (202) 258-3909, dhayes@law.stanford.edu



http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/august/big-game-hunting-080315.html

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/april/wildlife-trafficking-law-040114.html

 

[Hank2211]

Suffice to say that if this is the drivel coming out of this law school, it needs some serious revision to the list of "scholars" that is allows to lecture.

Stanford Report, April 1, 2014
Stanford students help protect endangered species in Africa


Stanford students helped the Obama administration develop a national strategy to fight wildlife trafficking, ............... focused on a multi-level solution involving laws, communities and economics.

UBELIEVABLE, UNSUPPORTED STATEMENTS.

"Sport hunting poses the most significant risk to wildlife populations whose numbers are depleted."

These are the advisors to the President in the US.



Stanford Report, August 3, 2015
New U.S. policies can discourage trophy hunting, Stanford expert says


Stanford legal scholar David J. Hayes says that the American government and policymakers can take measures to help reduce sport hunting of endangered wildlife populations around the world.

BY CLIFTON B. PARKER

The sport of trophy hunting big game animals can pose a big risk to depleted populations of endangered wildlife, a Stanford expert says.

Andy Loveridge
In this undated photo, Cecil the lion rests in Hwange National Park, Zimbabwe. His recent killing has put a spotlight on sport hunting in Africa.

The recent shooting of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe this past week has sparked a national debate over the nature of big game hunting and poaching in Africa.

David J. Hayes, a visiting distinguished lecturer at Stanford Law School, said the United States can discourage such hunting by listing lions as endangered under the Endangered Species Act. Hayes serves on the White House Advisory Council on Wildlife Trafficking, and he led a 2014 student practicum at Stanford that developed a new approach to saving endangered wildlife.

Stanford News Service interviewed Hayes on the subject:



What went wrong in the Cecil the lion case? Was the killing legal?

It appears that the killing of Cecil the lion was illegal, primarily because Cecil was lured out of a protected area, Hwange National Park, and killed. Enforcement officers at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service are attempting to locate the U.S. hunter who killed the lion so they can question him.



What should be done about African countries allowing hunters to kill big game?

The killing of Cecil the lion has put a spotlight on sport hunting in Africa.

Sport hunting poses the most significant risk to wildlife populations whose numbers are depleted. That is why sport hunting of species that are categorized as "endangered" under the Endangered Species Act – like African elephants – is restricted, and is not allowed by U.S. authorities in countries that cannot demonstrate that they are managing their wildlife populations sustainably. Last year, for example, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service disallowed the importation of elephant sport hunting trophies from Tanzania and Zimbabwe because of a concern that those countries were collecting large hunting fees without ensuring overall health of elephant populations within their borders.

Currently, African lions are not categorized as "endangered" and, as a result, the U.S. does not limit lion hunting in African countries, nor does it limit the importation of lion trophies into the U.S. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service has proposed to list lions as endangered under the Endangered Species Act and, if finalized, restrictions on lion hunting would kick in.



What can the American government and policymakers do?

The "uplisting" of African wildlife by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service as endangered can reduce hunting pressure by limiting the countries in which such hunting is allowed to those that are effectively managing their wildlife. Also, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service can restrict the number of individual trophies that can be imported from qualifying countries within a given year, as it did recently for African elephants.

As a more general matter, the government and policymakers should step up their review of how responsibly African nations are managing hunting practices, particularly for wildlife populations that are under stress from poaching, loss of habitat and other conflicts. Also, while some African countries rely on hunting revenues to support conservation efforts, questions about the linkages between hunting funds to on-the-ground conservation activities, and about the amount of funds that are actually funneled to those programs, need to be answered.

The stakes are very high, particularly given the sophisticated criminal syndicates that are operating in many African countries and arranging for the killings of extraordinary numbers of elephants, rhinos, tigers, lions and other species, and then marketing ivory, rhino horn, tiger bone and other wildlife parts in the U.S., Asia and around the world. Independent analyses have indicated, for example, that approximately 100,000 elephants have been killed for ivory in the last three years – or one every 15 minutes.

President Obama addressed this issue during his recent visit to Kenya. He announced that the U.S. is continuing to tighten up our ban on the sale of elephant ivory, and he also announced the formation of a public-private partnership to reduce the demand in the U.S. for illegal wildlife products.



Any other concerns?

One of the major concerns is that the pervasive influence of the illegal wildlife traffickers is corrupting the integrity of African wildlife hunting programs. There have been documented cases in which hunting concessions in Tanzania, for example, have been exploited to provide cover for massive illegal killings and trafficking of wildlife parts.



MEDIA CONTACT
David J. Hayes, Stanford Law School: (202) 258-3909, dhayes@law.stanford.edu



http://news.stanford.edu/news/2015/august/big-game-hunting-080315.html

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/april/wildlife-trafficking-law-040114.html

Say what you will, but this stuff, coming from a professor at a prestigious US law school (Stanford is top five, without a doubt) has an enormous impact on public and private views. When I make statements about hunting - which I believe are supportable based both on facts and my own experience - and people quote a Stanford professor in opposition, I will lose with many, if not most, disinterested observers who aren't prepared to put in the time necessary to truly understand the issues (which is to say, most people in North America). And he apparently has the ear of the USFWS and the President of the United States. Hunters do not.

This is - broken record time - why we need organizations to get together and get the real message out there. Not to hunters, but to the public.

 

[BRICKBURN]

So, after they have discouraged the hunters so successfully in this new direction to save the Lions.

So Anti's, WHAT IS THE PLAN NOW?

Obama's 10 Million dollars into Anti Poaching into South Africa where there are very few Wild Lions.
Awesome plan.
(This fund is unofficially called the Zuma Boma Renovation Trust.)

I think the Wildlife Trafficking expert needs to look at an actual map and see where Lions actually live.

 

[LivingTheDream]

That's what is crazy, is that SA has little wild lions (according to the IUCN), but a lot of exports due to captive lion hunts. I think Lion hunts are the second most popular game animal (as far as dollars spent) behind kudu. Yet PHASA has distance itself, and now with the "unknown" permit situation there really isn't a plan for the future of the lions and specifically all the lions in South Africa.

 

[enysse]

The "uplisting" of African wildlife by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service as endangered can reduce hunting pressure by limiting the countries in which such hunting is allowed to those that are effectively managing their wildlife. Also, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service can restrict the number of individual trophies that can be imported from qualifying countries within a given year, as it did recently for African elephants.

As a more general matter, the government and policymakers should step up their review of how responsibly African nations are managing hunting practices, particularly for wildlife populations that are under stress from poaching, loss of habitat and other conflicts. Also, while some African countries rely on hunting revenues to support conservation efforts, questions about the linkages between hunting funds to on-the-ground conservation activities, and about the amount of funds that are actually funneled to those programs, need to be answered.

The stakes are very high, particularly given the sophisticated criminal syndicates that are operating in many African countries and arranging for the killings of extraordinary numbers of elephants, rhinos, tigers, lions and other species, and then marketing ivory, rhino horn, tiger bone and other wildlife parts in the U.S., Asia and around the world. Independent analyses have indicated, for example, that approximately 100,000 elephants have been killed for ivory in the last three years – or one every 15 minutes.

It sounds logical sitting in a chair in the USA and having never visited or studied Africa history. But those of us who use common sense no this is not how things work. By limiting imports or hunting by US hunters doesn't guarantee a species will thrive and force change in a positive direction..................