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Discussion in 'Hunting Africa' started by tiss kocovsky, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. Hogpatrol

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    All will easily do the job. Pick the one you can shoot most accurately. To a lesser extent, a caliber for which you can get ammo in country.
     
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    .375 H&H
     
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    As some have already said your -06 wont go as it is a semi auto

    To bad because the 30-06 is a great PG round. My ooutfitter and all the PH's spoke of over gunning with big magnums and poor shooting more than once. They all seem to love the 30-06 and good bullets for all PG with big bull Eland being an exception.

    Good tough bullets placed in the correct spot and the 7-08 7x57 .308 Win seem to be great advise when a question comes around about a good PG rifle for a lady or teen but change that question to a man's rifle and testosterone surpasses what has worked for over 100 years

    Stop with your .300 but the advise of take what you shoot best is the 100% best advice and use a well constructed bullet......tip top book speeds are far less important than that good tough bullet put in that perfect spot

    I learned by seeing it before my eyes. There are animals in Africa for less willing to die than many of our US animals

    Enjoy
     
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    Hi Tedthorn,

    Excellent points, and well spoken sir.

    I will however submit that larger calibers for Africa were probably not dreamed up to satisfy anyone's manly ego.
    The .375 for one example, is a 100 year standby for general purpose in Africa, (now also in Alaska and Canada), due to the fact that there are apex carnivores about, and yet it shoots flat enough for hunting antelopes/deer species, without ruining much edible meat.
    It is a bit much for impala and/or deer but is about as light as I would care to go if rushed by a lion or a grizzly in thick bush.

    I have hunted in Africa with a .300 H&H / 180 gr and with a .30-06 / 220 gr, both of which worked out very well so, we do agree that a cannon is not necessary for PG.
    Even eland, waterbok, zebra, blue wildedeest evidently can be taken cleanly with a .308, or a 7x57.
    That said, the .375 is however not too much for them at all, especially on quartering toward you shots.
    There is some debate as to the quartering toward you shot on these larger antelope/zebra with a 7mm or even a .30 by some hunters with plenty of experience.

    Perhaps Tiss will be hunting in a controlled environment (none of the big 5 present and perhaps no really large antelopes either) and if so, my recommendation for his .375 is not necessary.
    However, of the 3 calibers Tiss had on the list, I voted for the .375 because he will be hunting in Africa and from my experiences, that can mean the potential to bump into a lion once in a blue moon.

    Parting Shot:
    Here where I live, a grizzly recently killed a moose calf and sat on it for a few days, about 200 yds from my house (google search: grizzly moose calf Rabbit Creek Anchorage).
    A large bore rifle is kept handy in my home, entirely for the purpose of surviving a bear forcing his way in, not because of testosterone.

    My Best Regards,
    Velo Dog.
     
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    Yes try to avoid those quartering to shots unless using a very stout bullet in 300 Win Mag or greater. It's a hit or miss shot otherwise.
     
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    No doubts

    If I lived and walked ground in which my life might be in danger I would cary more gun than I took this past June.
     
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    You have received a lot of good advice already. I took my 300 wm last year and my son took his 30-06, both shooting 180 gr partitions, on our first safari last year. All one shot kills excpet one each, which were our own fault, not the guns or ammo.
     
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    Well Well Well!!!!! Now you gave me something to panic about. I am two weeks out for departure and was planning on using my pump rifle for my upcoming Plains game hunt in SA. What is the problem with a pump. It only holds 4 shots like most bolt action rifles. All my paperwork is in the hands of the SA police already. ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I agree with Phoenix Phil.....take the 300 and use 180 grain ammo. Practice practice practice before you go even if you think you are a great marksman. Shoot off the bench, the sticks and off hand. Put a 100+ rounds through the rifle. Go out to the range and just shoot as much as you can.
    Be prepared for non stop excitement!
     
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    Take a deep breath... Call your outfitter and double check, or if you worked with a booking agent, call him or her.

    As I understand it (and I could be wrong), a pump should be legal. The potential problem may be that it kind of "looks" like an automatic. So you run the risk of bumping into an official who thinks it is an auto... Of course if this happens, and you remain calm and explain it, show them, perhaps bring an operating manual explaining it... you should prevail.

    Hopefully someone who knows a lot more than me responds.

    Best of luck, should be great fun hunting with it! I would have loved to have that when the baboons were running through the bushes.

    And please let us know what you do and how it goes.
     
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    Here's what I have so far. I have e-mailed the outfitter and am waiting for a reply. Ananja and Tienie help with the gun importation process and walk you through the whole registration at the Joburg Airport as a courtesy to there clients. Saves a few bucks on hiring a service I guess. I should hear from them Saturday morning, If not I will try the phone call. As a contingency plan just in case I get shot down, I have a Remington Model 700 I bought this spring for one of my grandsons from a work acquaintance of my wife who gave up hunting. It did not have a scope or mounts on it until this evening. It now has some weaver mounts and a brand new Leupold scope on it. I will be at the range first thing Sunday morning to get it sighted in and ready for use in case it has to go instead of my pump. I will have to fax an amended SAPS 520 to SA Monday if needed. I will let you guys know what the results end up being in a few days I guess. (scramble scramble scramble) At least my grandson made out like a bandit with the new scope and all. Now he just needs to grow up so he can use it. He is only 7 years old right now, but he's my squirrel hunting buddy. The kid has eyes like an eagle. He spots-em and I shoot-em. ;)
     
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    Hey Captain, your gonna be responsible to keep the rust off that gun for a couple more years yet anyway! I do hope you get to take the pump though, I'de love to see you using it in Africa so hoping it works out! Any chance someone can video you if you get to use it?

    I think I mentioned it on another post.. But I had no desire to shoot primates when I headed over to Africa.... And then I was there about a day and a half, I decided every darned baboon needed to die! With the PH saying "yea, welcome to Africa!" Wish I had my old Remington Pump 30-06 when the troop was heading across the mountain side full tilt. And the 10 shot aftermarket clip I bought when I was 17 and foolish.
     
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    Hey Tiss, sorry I hijacked your post a bit. I to am from Milwaukee. When is your trip? Go Packers!!!!
     
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    Well, I got a definitive answer on my pump rifle. It is an absolute no go. It appears SA has a problem with that type of gun for some reason. Good thing is set up the second rifle this past Sunday. Took some scrambling to get a new 4457 done and faxed to SA. On a good note though it is an absolute tack driver. 3 shots groups with all holes touching at 100 yards. I will be a little slow on the follow-up shot if one is required, but with the gun rested on the tripod I can bring my right hand back to work the bolt and keep my left hand on the back trigger grip on the stock. Goofy lefty shooting a right hand bolt. 72 hours to wheels up and I am major league stoked right now!
     

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