I don't think so. I believe it is imperative that we have a collective group of ethics which define our sport. Otherwise we would indeed be judged by our lowest common denominator. And no, I do not believe that is the current situation. Were it not for a perhaps fading perception that most hunters are indeed ethical, we would have been regulated out of existence by the non-hunting majority decades ago. I strongly believe raising lions to be killed by shooters or collectors otherwise identified as hunters undermines that collective ethic. And yes, I believe that there is a difference between hunting a kudu born in a fenced environment and a lion placed there to be executed by the highest bidder. Though I personally have no desire to hunt that kudu either, I do believe its roll in hunting can be accommodated by the ethics of our sport. Though PG too can be abused. I know of one small game farm which brought in an eland, put a .22 round thru his hoof, and rolled out an American "client" to slay him two days later. I assume the client didn't know. I also find the danger issue irrelevant. That sort of danger has nothing to do with the "hunt", but rather everything to do the risk associated with executing the animal. Sort of like taking a pocket knife to a basket of snakes - dangerous as hell but then ..... Keep up the good fight Shakari and have another local vintage ruby!