Your response is appreciated, and I commend you for keeping this a polite discussion. While I basically agree with you, who is to say we're right and someone else is wrong in the manner in which they choose to hunt? A few examples from my own experiences. At one time, I really didn't care how I might go elk hunting. However a few years ago while sitting on a hill one cold November morning I told my hunting buddy I was done with rifle hunting for elk. I was going bowhunting or I wasn't going. And for the last several years this has been the case. I so much more enjoy elk hunting in September with a bow when the bulls are bugling, I can't really imagine anymore doing it differently. But who the hell am I to tell someone else who sees things differently that they're not on a "real" elk hunt when they gladly hunt elk with a rifle? A totally different scenario.....trout fishing. I was fortunate enough at one time to live in some of the greatest density of world class trout fishing there is in this world. I took up fly fishing. For me, there is no greater satisfaction fishing for trout then to properly present a dry fly that I've designed and tied myself to a very wary, heavy Rainbow in slow clear water and fool that old fish into rising and gulping in that fly. To throw a bobbered hook with a worm on it does absolutely nothing for me. But once again, who the hell am I to tell someone who isn't fishing the way I would that they're not properly fishing? So it goes with lion hunting for me. I know there's a huge difference between hunting a lion completely on his terms versus hunting a raised lion. In this country as someone else pointed out, there are folks who go out onto really small properties and shoot farm raised huge antlered deer and then go bragging about it. Do I admire their "hard" earned deer? Nope, but then again I frankly don't care. If a person is proud of any one particular head whether it was taken on a fenced property or not, it makes no difference to me. I'm really only concerned with what I've accomplished and if I feel good about it or not. So if a person kills a lion that was raised and they stalked it and got in that lion's danger zone and they're good with it, what does my opinion matter? On the flip side, if a person kills a lion in Zimbabwe by using that lion's hunger against it by putting out a bait and sitting in a blind and they're good with it, again what does my opinion matter?