LAC SUZIE OUTFITTERS -moose hunting report 2012‏ (Negative)

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  1. ChondroPython

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    Dear Fellow Hunters....

    I am providing a hunting report/assessment of the outfitter in Quebec, Canada know as
    ........LAC SUZIE OUTFITTERS.

    I was NOT impressed by any part of this camp during a rifle moose hunt October 2012. This was one week after the archery season and needless to say there were not any bull moose to be seen. Only one cow was sighted, however it was not cow season.



    To begin,

    There was very little evidence of ANY scouting PRIOR to the arrival of hunters in order to determine where moose were traveling, bedding or foraging in the area. For the week I was there we hunted no less than 3-5 miles per day and only 1 group (of two hunters) saw a single bull, which was an immature bull at less than two years old. When the professional guide (PH) (who
    had a hearing problem) was asked when he last saw moose in the area we were currently
    stalking, he stated that a "monster moose that a woman did not shoot the year before"...or a "French archer heard one last week but he went home empty handed." This is NOT my idea of recent scouting of an area prior to your hunter's arrival.

    Out of over eight (8) hunters at my camp, who were situated into roughly four groups based on the various Plans that a hunter can purchase, only one hunter saw a moose and subsequently shot
    it during the time I was on site from Fri to Fri. Note that everyone appeared to be experienced hunters and had been to Quebec on subsequent occasions for other quarry. This was my third trip to Quebec and first time for a moose hunt. I have been hunting for thirty years and had never seen it this bad.

    The housing accommodations for the American Plan (one hunter per PH) were below average when
    considering that the the generator controlling the water pump's electricity in the whole camp was turned off 11 PM every night...so much for having to go to the toilet in the middle of the night.
    Note, that if several hunters shared a cabin, this could have been a smelly problem! Needless to say I was to bring my wife initially but her doctor advised against it...thank God!!! If she had come along this would have been a MAJOR problem! Note that there was a larger generator available that
    could have been operated continuously (as is normally done in hunting lodges that I have visited
    in Quebec or Ontario). I was told by another hunter that costs were the issue. In addition,
    there was no heat other than that from a wood burning stove in each cabin. Talk about chilly
    mornings....my wife would have been doubly upset by now. After hunters leave, the generators
    are shut down again until later in the afternoon. Talk about cheap! What if I stayed in one morning
    or shot my moose on the first day...which sometimes happens.

    When asked for total expenses it was never mentioned (until a week prior to the hunt when I
    asked for a recap of total expenses) that the hunting license (about $360) was not included. I finally saw this on the website but it was not in the contract.

    In a tough economy which almost everyone is feeling these days, this was an unexpected expense when considering that US Airways is now charging $125 for a third bag and $200 for the fourth. I guess we are to eat the meat before coming back to the States!!!?? Well.. I didn't see anything shootable (outside of the cow moose) so those potential shipping charges did not apply, but $360 is tip money! I did tip the PH whether he earned it or not....I realized this was his livelihood and that he does not own the property. The owner should have made alternate accommodations if no moose were seen recently on the property.

    Dealing with a French speaking office is cumbersome AT BEST unless you can understand French. LAC SUZIE OUTFITTERS markets in the US but has no ENGLISH answering service unless you call a staff member in NY who cannot make management-level decisions. They have never returned a phone from the answering machines (I verified the phone numbers with the NY staff member) so I
    resorted to using the NY staff member as the go-between to get info relayed and answered. I
    should have realized something was wrong by this point as the owner, Serge Derpa, dragged his feet on several occasions (for more than a few weeks on two occasions) to answer important issues.

    On a final note, I WOULD NOT recommend LAC SUZIE OUTFITTERS unless some serious management and operations issues were handled first and verified in writing. I would also ask for some rebate agreement in writing if the PH was not able to show ANY shootable animals. Of course, some responsibility lies with the hunter such as the ability to hunt quietly for several miles, have scent in check, be able to shoot, etc...the normal stuff. The fact that we were able to get to withing twenty (20) yards of a cow shows that the HUNTER was doing things correctly....there just weren't any bulls on this land. Expenses of four thousand dollars plus air fare and baggage expenses for a nature hike is just NOT my cup of tea! This is not the most expensive hunt I have been on, having hunted on several international hunts prior, but I can think of better charities to give my money to right here in the United States rather than giving it to LAC SUZIE OUTFITTERS.

    BON JOUR

    ChondroPython
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    Most things can be forgiven but if no one is seeing game...it's gonna be a LONG TRIP!
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    The camp with the wood heat and generators being turned off sounds pretty typical and what I would expect however they should have better communication and this should not be a surprise to you. This sounds like the camp I went to in Alaska for the camp conditions, but I was told in advance this would be the case.
    Lack of game is another story though and they should have worked hard at locating some game or alternative area to relocate to. Kind of sounds like a part time operation, full time outfits tent to know more about the game movement.
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    In America we believe that a man's word is his bond. So based on what the outfitter says he CAN provide, I booked the hunt. I chose to do so, I had numerous options. The very notion of anything less is insulting. Although the cabin was comfortable and new (which is what I paid for), there was never any mention of restrictions on providing basic CONTINUOUS heated housing, electricity, running hot and cold water, etc. When we, in America pay for Lodging, this is what is expected. I received the same from two other outfitters in Quebec on previous successful hunts. So I believe this is indeed more than an American expectation....I want what I pay for and agree to! Nothing less! Not to mention...there were NO BULLS sighted by anyone other then one hunter who shot an immature bull (less than 2 year old).

    And you are absolutely correct...it does sound like a part time operation...a hobby at best!
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    I totally agree with you and you should get what you pay for.
    For the record though I am an American hunter as well, but I just expect to be roughing it more when hunting I guess. And as stated I don't expect to be paying for luxury though for such conditions.
    The bigger issues, for me anyway, it sounds like though are the lack of communication which seems like the easiest thing for someone to provide good service with and adjusting to the situation to make something happen for you. So I'm definitively not defending an outfit I don't know.

    I'm sorry for your bad experience, believe me I've had a couple as well.
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    If I pay for a tent under the stars in Namibia or a drop camp for elk in the Mountains that's what I expect. If I
    pay for a cabin with expectation that I am getting better than average amenities that's what I expect...and pay much more for this than I do for a drop camp. We pay for what we get....and all outfitters need to understand this. If it can't be provided don't imply that it can.

    On the subject of no animals seen during a week's hunt...there should have been some consideration given to this when only one person in camp of a dozen hunters shoots..or for that matter SEES a bull.

    The LAC SUZIE Outfitter did not think a rebate, discount on a future hunter, etc was line with his idea of good business practices when the supplier can't produce....even when it concerns multiple parties. If 80% of the hunters present SAW a shootable bull, then luck just wasn't with me and I can accept that. If 95% of the hunters did not see ANY bulls then that is a MAJOR problem and some alternative should have been in place!

    There will be a little different discussion with the next outfitter for my moose hunt!

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