Boet, and yet you are not aswering the obvious questions, and you where never quoted maybe I should have stated that you where insinuating that guys where shooting druged cats and that outfitter where lying to their clients would that have been more accurate?? Trying to discredit or put my integrity into question is not going to help you prove your point, I can do the same you wrote a book something along the line of how to become a successfull outfitter, well Hugo Ras made it big so did out of Africa and so did a couple others who's wheels are falling of as we speak what conclusion can I draw from that. Especially if they had read your book?? I think you should stop thinking of what I am trying to say and see what I a,m saying. I am not pro lion hunting, but I have very good and reputable friends in this industry that do hunt lion and will not stand by why you have the utmost freedom in making statements with no regard to them, o yes!!! but Venecia mine has free raoming lion (in the sense of not being introduced on a continual basis) so does welgevonden where one was hunted one last year tens of thousands of hectares with a sustainable population of lion. But thats besides the point, the question that you have been eluding to answer the entire time is... WHAT MAKES A KUDU BULL ON A 1500 HECTARE FARM DIFFERENT FROM A LION ON A 15 000 HECTARE FARM LIKE AP REYNECKE (JUST AN EXAMPLE) (FOR THE SAKE OF PROPERTY SIZE) THAT WHERE BOTH REINTRODUCED A WEEK OR 96 HOURS LEAGAL MINIMUM BEFORE THE CLIENT ARRIVES, OR IS IT JUST PURE EMOTION? PLEASE ALSO FEEL FREE TO CONTACT DR. WOUTER VAN HOVEN AT THE CENTRE FOR WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PRETORIA FOR ANY QUESTIONS, HIS SECRETARY LISET WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU MIGHT REQUIRE. YOU COULD ALSO GET INTO CONTACT WITH HANNO KILLIAN (PHD.) AND FORMER HEAD OF RESEARCH ON SPECIFICALLY LION IN WELGEVONDEN, CURRENTLY EMPLOYED BY A WEALTHY RUSSIAN THAT OWNS 100 000 HECTARES IN THE KALAHARI, ON WHICH LION HUNTS ARE ALSO CONDUCTED I BELIEVE THAT COENRAAD VERMAAK HAS PURCHASED THE ENTIRE QUOTA AS WE WHERE OUTBID. NOW IF I MAY SAY SO MYSELF .........NEXT! MY BEST ALWAYS.