Hi to everyone we have had some pretty good discussions lately, the way a hunt should be conducted and how big a property should be in order to perform a fair chase hunt. Now I would like to ask the question do we have rights as hunters as well? When I ask this question I take in to consideration the fact that everyone seems to fight for something, animal rights, human rights or the right to vote. Lion hunting will most certainly close in South Africa due to a bad rep and yes everything that happened in the captive bread lion industry was not right but the problem is that that it was a case of a few spoiling it for many. There is talk of Botswana closing hunting it is far from closing but it is actually a threat in the future. So basically what I am getting at is where are our rights as hunters do we not have the right to also enjoy our sport and heritage? I mean if certain tribes are protected and they are allowed to hunt even if it were to be in the traditional way and far less successful than the modern day hunter, do we not have a historical part in nature as well and should those traditions not also be protected as well as respected. There are some problems in the hunting industry yes and eliminating them would be difficult but possible if we all stand together but surely we contribute to conservation ass well and in my opinion play a very important role in the management of game. I think everyone that is green might be looking at the negative things instead of taking the time to realize that we as hunters might be part of the solution and not the problem?