Are these the same tusks?

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Same tusks?

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  2. NO

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  1. Argali

    Argali AH Member

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    Hi guys ! Are they the very same tusks?

    Photo taken at camp:
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    IMG_6928.jpg IMG_6951.jpg

    Photo taken by taxidermist:
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    compare of the scars on the top:
    scar.jpg
     
  2. Argali

    Argali AH Member

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    The PH said the tusks were 40 pounds in the field, I was told they were both 13 kg by the outfitter a few months later.
     
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    unquestionably not. Sorry to see this. Have you received these? or are they still trying to sort things out?
     
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    I say yes, turn the tusk over the bottom on in the first taxidermist picture is the chipped end one.
    The taxidermist is showing you the good side of the curve just as him to show you the chipped side. You be surprised to see the chips when he turns the tucks over.
     
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    tusk edit 2.jpg tusk edit.jpg

    I changed the orientation and edited highlights/contrast etc of the taxis photo to try and get the same perspective and detail..

    From what I see here: One of these things is not like the other.


    Although its been a while since I watched Sesame Street.




    I'd ask for some better pictures if possible.
    Pictures of the washed/cleaned tusks taken in poor light could be hiding much of the contrast that is provided in the field photos.
     
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    They do not look the same to me
     
  7. James.Grage

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    Argali.

    I see the tusk were partially cleaned, that does not help in identifying the tusks as being yours.

    I would ask for some better pictures of the tusks tips to check to see about the chips or missing ivory.

    Did your PH have a number of years as a PH for hunting elephant? or was he relative new to hunting elephant.
    Did you actually weigh the tusks in the field to obtain the 40LB's? Or was that an estimate by the PH.

    13KG is 28.6 LBS

    I see you measured the tusks for total length, however that could change, if any breakage occurred to the root end or it was trimmed.
    What is the length of the tusks in the picture you provided?
    Is the length close to the measured field length, this measurement should be very close.

    With the tape measure did you get a measurement at the lip in the field? Important measurement to see if it these are your tusks. This is a measurement that is used to help determine the weight of the Ivory along with the length of tusk out of the lip.
     
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    doesnt look like it at first glance.
    more pictures of the tusks in different orientations would be more helpful.
    the tusk in the left hand in the pics Brickburn adjusted looks to have a different shape/size to the trophy pic. could be perspective playing tricks though.
    cant see the right hand tusk well enough to say.
    40 lbs in the field, 29lbs (13kg) at the outfitter.
    check the lengths now compared to field lengths - that will be a good indicator.

    EDIT - my typing skills let me down, i see James beat me to it regarding the tusk length!! :D
     
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    I superimposed both tusks with the photo taken at camp:

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    and the one taken by taxidermist:

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    And made them to about identical size for comparison purposes…

    Here is the result with the smaller tusk (the one at the top in the picture taken by taxidermist). NOT the same.

    tusk-01.jpg

    Here is the result with the bigger tusk (the one at the bottom in the picture taken by taxidermist). These two tusks are very similar but NOT the same.

    tusk-02.jpg
     
  10. LeopardsValleySafaris

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    The tusk points look different. In the field they look chipped with sharp edges. The ones received lookes to have rounded points.

    I hope I'm wrong
    best regards
    Dave
     
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    Surely not the same from what I can see. Hope it gets sorted out for you.
     
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    Thanks Guys.... haven't been able to get online for a couple of days...
    IMG_6924.JPG IMG_6925.JPG IMG_6926.JPG IMG_6928.JPG
     
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    NO. i have been waiting for updates from the outfitter for like 2 months...
     
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    Hi, thanks for the reply..It was my first trip with the PH, he was fine I think. 40LB was an estimate by him.. The length of the picture from the filed is 57 centimeters . I have uploaded more photos ...
     
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    Thanks...The scars on the top, they looks very differently,aren't they.
     
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    Thanks...
     
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    Thank... The 2 photos that the tusk being held in man's hand could help?
     
  18. James.Grage

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    I am sorry, i do not remember your AH hunting report outlining your elephant safari. Plus the day by day story/journal on number of elephants spotted and tracked. How many elephants you approached and turned down for various reasons, only known to you and your PH. With these stalks you were becoming comfortable with being close to a massive animal. I am sure you had a 10 to 14 day elephant safari booked.

    I have been close to a few elephants in different countries and my PH would go over where to shoot and what the estimated size of tusks the elephant would have or not have if it was a tusk-less elephant. I have seen longer tusks than yours in the bush that would not make 25 lbs according to my PH. That is why i asked about your PH elephant hunting experience.

    With the lip circumstance and the (Length) 22.4 inches. you can estimate the weight of the tusks and be very close.

    I am not sure what day that you shot this elephant on your _____ day safari. However i do hope for you that it was at the waning days of your safari.

    One wants to remember the events as they unfolded in the field and when your PH told you it was a 40 LB. That is what stuck in your mind, you were probably told that was a good elephant for the area and if you passed on this one you may not find a better one.

    An inexperienced PH may make the mistake in estimating the 40 lbs, however an experienced PH would error on the lighter side. As explained by a few PH's to me, it is better to be on the lighter side when making a field estimate on trophy size, and when the weight and measurements come in above the field estimates you will have a very happy client, what the PH's stressed is that they did not want the reverse happen.

    You were probably hunting an area where an elephant above 25 LBS was considered a trophy elephant. And that is what you got. I looked at a few areas and i was told that a 25 lbs elephant would be the expected trophy size for the area. Again cost of the hunt was less than other areas that grow larger ivory.

    57 CM is 22.4 inches and the tusks are probably your.

    plus the 28 pounds sounds about right for the length of the tusks.
     
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    Still stand by my statement , Same tusks.
     
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    Argali,

    A couple of thoughts.

    The tape measure shows 57 inches not 57 cm. Between marks the tape is broken into sixteenths, not tenths.

    57 inches seems like it should be heavier than 13 kg. I am not an expert and there are a lot of variables but it seems like they should be 2-4 kg heavier. Has the taxidermist put a tape on the tusks and shown you the 57 inches with photos or a video.


    I am in envy of Jerome's technology abilities.

    I don't see how anyone can argue that the radius of the tusks are different from looking at Jerome's forensic photos.


    The taxidermists tusks don't show the chips. Have the taxidermist show close ups in photos or videos of the tusks so the chips will be shown if those are the tusks he says they are.

    Do you mind sharing what taxidermist your tusks are with and what city?

    As Brickburn said:





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    One of these things is not like the other.


    I tend to be skeptical. Two different taxidermists forty years apart changed out trophies on me. One in Kenya and one in Namibia. The one in Kenya I feel was intentionally done.

    All the best in getting things worked out.
     

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