.470 NE Reloads and Fillers?

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  1. gxsr-sarge

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    Hello All!

    I'm proud to announce that I've recently acquired a .470 NE Double (Krieghoff) for puposes of a buffalo/tuskless elephant hunt next year in Zimbabwe.

    Well, maybe I should have checked the ammo prices first!!

    I'll definitely be reloading over the next year for purposes of practicing and maybe taking one of those safari shooting courses. However, I'm having a hard time finding some good recipes for reloading the 470 NE so I have few requests/questions:

    - Can anyone share theirs?
    - I've never used a filler (aside from wads in shotgun reloading) so can anyone please explain how to use apply/use it (how much - when it hits the top?) which brand and where do I get it?
    - What is the best primer for this tame cannon?
    - And any other advice or information that you care to share.

    Many thanks!!

    Sergio
     
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    Sergio,

    A "standard" load for the 470 Nitro is either 89 grains of Reloder15 or 106 grains of IMR4831. Double check this data, never rely on loads from the internet.

    The IMR 4831 does not require a filler.

    For the Reloder 15 I stamp a 1" thick piece of foam by 1/2" diameter. Kynoch makes some pre-cut one but they are expensive.

    Federal 215s are my go to primers, but have used Remington Magnum Rifle with no issues.

    I like North Fork solids for elephants and North Fork Cup Points for buffalo.

    Start low on powder charge, use a chronograph. 2150 FPS is the gold standard, but velocity will determine how your rifle regulates. If it is crossing, slow down your velocity. If the spread is too wide speed up.

    Remember it is not a bolt gun. Do not hot rod your loads.
     
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    Mike,

    Thank you very much for your input. It is exceptionally helpful. I 100% agree with the "reliance on the web" comment. I always try to cross reference any advice and ALWAYS start off on the low end of the spectrum.

    I plan to use factory ammo (probably Federal's 500 Gr Barnes XXX) during the actual hunt. My plan is to initially see how that ammo shoots and, if it regulates nicely, chrono that ammo. I was then planning, for purposes of purely practice, practice, practice, to load up similar rounds to that of Federal's (I know the POA, etc. may be a bit different due to the varying components).

    Now if the rifle hates the Barnes, I may have to start from scratch and then use my handloads for the hunt. The good news is that I have the 11 months to fuss with all of this.

    I already use both RL15 and IMR 4831 (who doesn't) but will most likely go with the later in order to spare the filler step.

    Thanks again,

    Sergio
     
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    There is a difference in felt recoil between the two powders. RL 15 will recoil less. The idea of the foam scared me at first but it is actually easy.

    Be careful on your bullet selection. I like the bore riders like North Fork and CEB. The Barnes is banded but the other two bullets will give less barrel strain. In a bolt gun that is not an issue. With the older English doubles some of the older monolithic solids could cause the barrels to separate. The K-Gun/Barnes combination should be fine.

    The K-Gun is stronger than hell, shoots different loads well, and I like the "safety".

    May you be as lucky with yours as I have been with mine.

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    Interesting point regarding the felt recoil with the different powders. It's nice to that you have great things to say about the K-Gun. I have a K-80 for skeet and a Semprio in 30-06. I've become quite a fan of Krieghoffs. I've always admired the Classic Doubles and now have a great reason to acquire one for my hunt next year.

    That's a fantastic trophy with a handsome boss. I too hope I have similar luck!

    Thanks again.

    Sergio
     

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