.416 vs .470

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  1. Reckless

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    Guys I am looking at expanding my locker by adding another double. Ant thoughts on which of these calibre's I should lean towards. The main target would be Cape Buffalo and Asian water buffalo.
     
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    As long as you are talking .416 Rigby vs .470NE, they are close ballistically. (400gr vs 500gr projectile difference) I have both. The .416 Rigby is in a Ruger Safari Magnum and the .470NE in a Sabatti double. (I almost bought a Merkle double in .416 Rigby. Just a little out of my price range) Love them both and wouldn't hesitate to use either one for anything that walks on this planet. I've used the Rigby on two Cape and one Asian buffalo. Performed perfectly. Haven't used the .470NE on anything yet. Planning on trying it out on Elephant & buffalo soon. Not sure this is any help! Good luck with the quest. You'll be happy with either.
     
  3. Reckless

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    Many thanks. Currently have beretta silver sable O/U in 9.3 x74 and Merkel S/S in same plus a Whitworth in .375 H and H but have always Ben of the opinion when it comes to buff that bigger is always best. Will be looking at a couple of Chapuis next Monday . Will let you know how I get on.
    Thanks again
     
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    Hi Reckless,
    For me its .470 NE all the way.....ok, I am biased, but talking about specifically a double as you indicate the rimmed cartridge has the edge with extraction.

    As they say ballistically they are similar...............but then why not go classic and buy a .450NE...............my next double!

    but I wouldn't worry either would be awesome!
     
  5. Uintaelkhunter

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    I think 470 if it is a double 416 for a bolt would be best for me it would be the 470 I love mine. As for my 416 it has been a safe king. I just like the 470 double much better
     
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    Are you talking about a 500/416 for a double or a regular 416 Rigby?
    I'll still stick with a rimmed for a rifle intended for DG.
     
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    A .470 and a .416 Rigby are not the same, considering trajectory. The .470 uses a heavier bullet, at 500 grains, while the .416 uses one of 400 grain (original version was 410 grain). The .416 bullet is quite a bit smaller in diameter, with more velocity, so it is better for longer range, better trajectory, better bullet penetration, more accuracy for most shooters. Which is better, the .416 or the .470---depends on what you are intending doing. For double rifle, the .500/.416 Rigby is better than the regular .416 Rigby; that is precisely why Krieghoff developed it, for less breech pressure stress on action, giving a rimmed, sometimes called flanged, cartridge, which is better for a double--more extraction/ejection grip on cartridge, rather than one with no rim to grip.
     
  8. Reckless

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    Just the .416 rigby.
     
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    Being a big bore double the intended use will be for close quarter shooting,say up to 50 yards,thus things like trajectory does not come into play.The .470 will without a doubt be my choice for a classic double.
     
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    IMO 450/400, 450 NE or a 470 NE. Keep in mind that the 450 and 470 are almost twins as far as the ballistics and effectiveness.
     
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    Yes, that is true; I agree.
     
  12. bebo

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    Hello,
    I am in love with my .416RM Winch 70 Safari Express ... scoped Leupold VX3 1.5-5x20
    "Long" range 300grs, other 400grs.

    But if you give me a double .470 (Chapuis or Verney) or .450 (Sabatti) or others .470, 450 .. no problem I 'll get it ...:dancing:
     
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    Thanks to all replies. I decided to go the .470 NE and have ordered a Chapuis. This could take around 12 weeks but hopefully by then I will have learned how to post pics. Thanks again. Soon I will be asking advice on loads.
     
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    Well!
    You are lucky !! Very, very beautiful double.
    Chapuis is at 50 km from my home (France- Europe), I know them .. but the price is the same for everybody ...even neightbor ...:cryingcry:
     
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    Congratulations on your choose I have a Chapuis in 470 and love that gun it shoots great and with a 350 gr load it is very pleasant my little wife can even shoot it hope yours is great
     
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    Good choice! My Chapuis 9.3X74R is a very good shooter and has great wood!
    I hope that your's is this good too!
     
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    Rekless, congratulations on a fine choice of weapon for buffalo.

    When hunted as they should be, on foot and at close quarters, your choice of the heavier caliber and heavier projectile will serve you well.

    By all accounts the Chapuis guns are well made and reliable.
    Your trick will be to find an effective buffalo-reliable bullet that will regulate with the load used in the factory.

    Good luck with the new gun, the aniticipation of recieving it must be electric ! (i can remember waiting for my own !!).

    Cheers,

    Paul.
     
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    Congratulations on your new big boy toy. Definitely post the pics when it comes in.
     
  19. AkMike

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    Paul,
    Have you worn yours out by yet? At least well broken in? :happywave:
     
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    Sorry to have to dissapoint you Mike, but I did not even fire a round in anger from my double this past season.

    I loaded and regulated a good load before starting my season and spent a limited amount of time trying to familiarise myself with it before the begining of my hunts and that's where it ended.

    I carried the gun for the first few of my early season hunts when the bush was thick and green, and during that time there was no requirement for back-up for any of the hunters for that period.

    Then, as the season progressed and it got drier and hotter I got bothered by carrying that extra weight (10.8lbs) around and went back to using my 8.5lb bolt-gun for the balance of the season.

    I intend on making more of an effort to get the double in to the feild more often for more exposure but it is difficult to pick it over my light-weight bolt-gun which sits along side the double in the camp safe.

    I truely do love the double, it is well made, shoots accurately etc etc, it's just after a few weeks in the hot Sun a lighter gun starts looking real good !

    Hope to have some feedback on the performance, on buffalo, of the loads I am using following the 2014 season.

    Cheers,

    Paul.
     

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