.405 win

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  1. norfolk shooter

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    Hello all,

    Just wondered what the general thoguht is on the above mentioned cal?? I would look to useing it on wild bore in France and the odd trip to Africa. Any thoughts would be super.

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    I know someone on AH that is itching to talk about this caliber. Can't wait to read the posts when he sees it.
     
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    I think Eric means me! Yes, I love this caliber and the Model 95 Winchester levergun. Is that what you have or a Ruger No. 1? I had the Ruger some time ago and it shot really well, I worked up a bunch of loads using 400 gr bullets and drove them to just over 2100fps and around 4000 lbs. of energy. I dont load my 95 up like that, rather only shoot 300grs at around 2200fps. Still a very powerful round and I hope to get mine to RSA in a year or two for eland when my boy goes for his first safari. One of the first things I ever read about this cal was an article by Jack O'Connor from 1949, about a huge and I mean huge brown bear taken near Cold Bay, Alaska using one. I think he shot it 3 times at long distances but brought it down in the end. Been fascinated with it ever since. I have yet to take anything with mine, only had it about a year, but been shooting the heck out of it. OH! Welcome to the forum!!
     
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    When I found it I thought this thread would attract more discussion. I think I have searched and read everything on the web and there is a lot of controversy around the .405 largely due to my boyhood hero, Teddy Roosevelt and the nature of the bullet. I am headed to SA in July for my first African hunt at the ripe old age of 63 and I'm going to do it like I always dreamed. Three old hunting buddies and I are going for two weeks of plains game and bird hunting and I'm taking 3 of my favorite guns: Model 70 Winchester 30-.06, 1895 Winchester Deluxe Sporting Rifle .405, Parker 12 ga. I am going to try to shoot everything without wings with the old .405. I know the limitations of the cartridge, but my PH says he can get my old ass inside 100 yds. and I consistently punch 1 1/2" 100 yd. groups with that old gun which should give me a fair chance. If it doesn't go well early on or for any long shots, I will go to the scoped up .06. So there are two issues with this old gun and me. First, for my old eye to see the German silver front sight (which I have polished to a wonderful shine) I have to wear a near vision contact lens in my right eye which works well for me. Iron sights are tough for older guys. Second, since I am shooting Hornady interlock ammo I am not confident about those short, fat bullets penetrating like say the Barnes coppers I shoot in the .06. My PH says the Blue Wildebeest will be the test. Anyhow, we will see how it goes. I hate to wound game even when I'm not paying for it, but I want to try to do it like I have dreamed. I would love to hear any encouraging words.
     
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    Well I think most guys are not interested in hunting with this old round, too many of the newest, fattest, fastest, non belted, blown out super short do all magnums out there to bother with the .405! I will be 60 in August and my eyes are not what they used to be either. My rifle a Miroku gun came with a bead front sight and the ramp rear on the barrel. I had it d&t'd for a Williams peep and made a patridge type blade for the front from another gun. It works better for me and least for target work. I think the bead would be fine for hunting. As to bullets, I have been concentrating on the Woodleigh 300gr Weldcore. I am afraid I dont have enough confidence in the Hornady soft points to risk an eland getting away. I have seen little written about how others may have fared using them in Africa. Under no condition would I use a silver blade front over there. It reflects too much light and is glare prone. Front sight should be as dark as one can make it. You may feel differently about it. I greatly look forward to hearing a full report when you return since, as I mentioned above I too am planning to take the .405 when I go again in a year or so. I wish more guys would pipe up too on their hunting experience with one, particularly if they used the Horndady bullet. I would have no worries at all using the Barnes bullets, but because they are so long they take up a bit more powder room than the others and of course are twice the cost of the Hornadys, but so are the Woodleighs! Good luck and tell us all about it!
     
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    Thanks for your response! A peep would be so nice as would a sling, but I don't want to lose collector value on this gun. It is a silver bead rather than a blade up front on the old guns and I see it well in low light. I pondered reloading for it but couldn't find much data that didn't seem pretty tricky with Barnes bullets and I would have to get dies for it. I initially bought the Hornady flat points and then they came out with the spires which I am hoping will penetrate and hold up better. I haven't found any field comparisons. Do you think the Woodleighs would be worth the trouble and expense?Unless watching my buddy take an Eland causes me to blow my budget, Kudu and Wildebeest will be the toughest critters on my list and if I do go crazy, I can shoot his 300WinMag.
     
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    There is actually a fair amount of loading data out there now. Go to Hodgdons site and you will find a bunch of data for the Hornady and the Barnes. Whether or not the Woodleigh is worth the trouble can only be answered by you. It is certainly perceived to be a tougher bullet than the Hornady and in my gun shoots as well or better than the Hornady. I am going with the Woody since when I drop the hammer on as big a critter as an eland I want full confidence in the bullet. I used Hornady Interbonds in my .338 Win mag in RSA a couple years back and found them lacking in weight retention, losing at times over 50 percent, and I wasnt driving them very fast either.
     
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    "The Winchester did admirably with lion, giraffe, eland, and smaller game. For heavy game like rhinoceros, elephant and buffalo, I found that for me personally the heavy Holland was unquestionably the proper weapon."

    From the man himself!
     
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    Hey there, We would love to hear how things went in RSA if you are back yet! I would like to hear how your .405 load worked on big game as I plan to take mine to RSA next year as well.

    I took my .405 to the range today to try a new combination of components and man it loved it. 300gr TSX Barnes ahead of Varget lit by a CCI 200 primer. Shoots great. I had thought the Woodys would be my bullet but frankly accuracy was inconsistent. I will need to do more testing but it looks like this may be my load. 56.5grs of Varget over the chrony said 2180fps which is right where I like to be. Thats good for over 3100 ft/lbs of ME. That and 56.0 and 57.0grs. all shot to the same group with 57 putting 3 into just over an inch and right at 2200fps.
     
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    Just got back

    Got home Sunday. still a little jet lagged. Took a kudu and gemsbok with the old rifle. Hornady SP's did great. neither took another step. will write more when I get caught up.
     
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    It takes a few days to get straight for sure. Rest up! Looking forward to hearing your report.
     
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    Just posted photos from our 14 day hunt with Motsomi Safaris. Took my m-70 fw .06, 1895 Win. .405, and Parker double as planned. Biggest thrill was taking a gemsbok and kudu with the .405. Shot them close up and personal stalking (30yds.Gemsbok, 50 yds. Kudu) and dropped them with not another step. Never got around to handloading so I went with the Hornady .300 gr. SP's and shot thru both so no bullets recovered. Same with the .06 Barnes 180s which served well when out of the bush in tough stalking open ground. All one shot kills except the damn birds. Amazing bird hunting. Forget Argentina. Take your .405s to Africa!!! I will load up Barnes next time however.

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    Hey there, good stuff! Glad to see the .405 did well for you and the Hornady bullets. Cant complain about thru and thru performance and the result! You got some nice animals there for sure.
     
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    Congratulations on your fine trophies. Glad to hear of your success with the 405. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    congratrulations pbbaker
    you took some great animals ,the photos look great
    thanks for showing us
     
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    Love your kudu and warthog, that kudu is BIG!
     
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    Congrats on a great hunt. Glad to hear the Hornadys did good (I am byass when it comes to Hornady, its all I use)

    Is your MDL 70 a featherweight? Cant tell from the pics?
     
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    Yes. It's the only non- pre64 I have and it clover leafs barnes 180s. Not so much with most other factory stuff.
     
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    So how is your .405 load development coming and when is your trip? I still haven't bought dies yet, but I am really interested in your results with the tsx's. I have read that fired brass is a lot easier to work with so when I have burned enough of the hornady factory stuff, that's what I plan to load.
     
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    If you are asking me it goes well. The magic stuff in my gun is 56-57grs of Varget behind the 300 TSX. Accurate, consistent and around 2160fps, same as the Hornady factory load. The box says 2225 but I have chronoed that load at 2160fps. 56grs is the max load in my Barnes book and I actually get a little better speed than it says. The TSX has a bit better ballistic properties than the Hornady as well.
    As far as the brass goes, if you mean a better fit for your chamber then yes, fired brass is the way to go as long as its sized enough to easily fit. For hunting I always take new brass, load it and run each round thru my gun before heading out.
     

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