375 Ruger vs 375 HH

Discussion in '.375 & Up' started by Wolverine67, May 23, 2012.

  1. Second Wind

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    Certainly if someone took offense at my remarks I most humbly apologize and withdraw same.

    I live in a rough and tumble world where thick skins abound, humor is sharp and wit is dry.

    Yes, I am from Texas. A native born son of the Republic

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    I have shot both calibers, the ole shoulder cant realy tell the difference. The animal wont know the difference either. I went with the H&H just because theres liable to be ammo in every camp in africa. Or atleast the next one over. Alot of airlines require your ammo and rifle to travel seperate. Theres a real chance you could get your rifle and not your ammo.
     
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    Your to funny, thats the kind of stuff people use to say about the 30-06 before the mag became so popular the 30-06 was the guides choice for Brown Bear in Alaska now days they say 338 or bigger???? I say be open minded yes the 100 year old 375 H&H is a great gun but there's nothing wrong with the 375 Ruger either.
     
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    Well, not really offended, just a bit confused about your humour. Couldnt figure out what the language thing was.
    And I consider Craig Boddington as an authority when it comes to hunting in Africa.
    So whether I choose a mainstream caliber or I give something new a chance remain to see.
    So; aim right and shoot straight!
    ;)
     
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    And Bob... I have been meaning to speak to you about that.

    Now 'traditionally". as I understand it, isn't that whole bear thing done with a flintlock and Bowie knife?

    all my school books said that's how Daniel done it! :rofl:
     
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    I say let the conditions of your hunt decide. If its going to be hot get 375H&H. If its going to be 17 to 25 degrees either will work. Remember that this 375 ruger cart is part of the short fat fad and will likly fade in popularity. The feeds every time hot or cold 375H&H has stood the test of time for a reason. Plus your going to have to mill the feed rails on your 98 alot that takes knowlage and skill and that costs $$$$.
     
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    Make sense, thanks.
     
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    My .375 Ruger feeds just fine even in hot weather, as does my H&H. The Ruger is not a "short-fat" but rather a standard length long action cartridge, while the H&H is a magnum length. The Ruger does not have a silly belt, and the H&H is more tapered, so they both feed very well.
     
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    I checked 6 articles found on line and in each the Ruger was described as "Short - Fat"

    I believe that the manufacturer also makes that reference as well.

    as far as the temperature reference I think several factors could come into play that might affect the feeding performance of any non-tapered cartridge

    Heat of the gun, heat of the round itself, heat of the chamber ( how many rounds recently fired)

    If I am not mistaken the 375 Holland with a normal loading carried a lower chamber pressure than the Ruger

    My thoughts are only that, in the right time, in the right place and under the right circumstance, it would only have to jam or fail to feed once . . . . and that might be enough.

    My final thoughts on this matter are this and please take it for whatever value you may place upon it;

    When you are traveling 1/2 way around the World, spending a substantial amount of money for the privileged of hanging out there in front of an animal capable of doing you a serious injury I put in the high percentage player.

    I am not saying one thing derogatory about the Ruger, I am sure it is a fine cartridge and on paper looks capable of everything the Holland is, however, it does have admittedly a brief track record by comparison and in the circumstance that it would come into play, that concerns me.

    And finally, if the function and ballistics are nearly identical what would be the point in being part of a product development program when you could just take the Holland and go hunting
     
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    Yeah but Davie Crocket Grinned their butts to death.;)
     
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    I have a 375 Ruger case in front of me now and I would not call it short and fat at all.
    I can't see that a 375 Ruger should jam or fail to feed at all.
    Then something needs to be done with the gun and not the cartridge.
     
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    I would rather call it fat, then short and fat...
    its a standard lenght case with the same outer diameter as the magnum belt on the H&H. And not so tapered.
    it have an edge over the H&H when it comes to velocity and hitting power. Then the H&H have the advantage in availability.
    Since I have found barrels in the caliber. I guess it should be possible to build such a rifle on a 98.
     
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    The truth is that both are ballistic twins. Making it feed like butter out of a 98 much machine time and skill.
     
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    Model 98 action was made really made for the classic cartridges. When you look at the 416 Ruger or 375 Ruger...I would buy a modern action and customize from there. A 375 Ruger has no belt and a 375 H&H has a belt.
     
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    Correct again! Compare top loads on equally strong platforms and you will find not much difference between the two, so pick the one you like the best and go with it. No animal on earth will be able to tell the difference. I for one am sticking with the original.
     
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    I have been debating which one of these calibers to buy. I have finally come to the conclusion that I don't want either one of them. I have a perfectly good 338 win mag. and a 300ruger compact mag. Either is a better long range rifle than a 375 whatever and if I am really serious about the thick skined dangerous stuff why not get a 416. No matter how you cut it a 375 is a compromise cartridge not flat enough for plains game and the thick skinned stuff needs a little more bullet weight but in a pinch it will work for everything.
     
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    I am not sure what you mean with flat enough for plains game lwaters :)
    I guess that depends very much on how far hunters are willing to shoot at animals and how skilled they realisticly are at different distances.

    I think the waste majority of hunters are not skilled enough to shoot to take full advantage of the trajectory a 375 H&H or 375 Ruger loaded with a 250 grain Barnes Tipped TSX BT that has the bc of .424

    So they for sure don't need anything even flatter shooting than that then.
    Recoil might be an issue, but a hot loaded 338 win mag is not regarded as gentle for most hunters either :)
     
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    Jeepers...so mush said about so little in this thread!! Wolverine...just build the .375 any which way! does the Ruger choice offer fewer rounds in the mag than the H&H? If they are the same then go for the H&H...at the end of the day it doesn't really matter! There's more H&H ammo around which'll make it cheaper. There's more H&H ammo in Africa for good reason!!
    Alter the safety arrangement on the 98 action..the military ones a pain!!
     
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    Your right it does shot plenty flat enough magority of hunters. Although I cannot find the 250 TSX we have the 270 TSX. I just feel Why get rid of a 338 that shoots a 225 nosler partition at 2800 withe a bc of 454 or the accurbond with a bc of .550. YOu also can load the TSX bullets with the 338 also. I think all will shot a little flatter and penetrate better with the 338. Nothng wrong with the 7mm and 300 mag with 175 and 200 grain bullets either. They may be the best of the bunch for the average shooter who I feel will shoot them better a longer ranges. The 375 was made for thin skinned dangerous game (lions, tigers, and bears and for that it probably has no rivals. I just feel the world is full of cartridges that will work just as well on game from the size of deer all the way up to Alaskan moose or eland. I still could be convinced to buy a 375 ruger or h&h just to say I have one
     
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    Everyone compares the two as being ballistically equlivelant. I think it's BS. Has anyone on here hand loaded a 375 Ruger with the same load and bullet as a 375 H&H? Hornady uses their "Special Powder" to achieve ballixtic equlivelants. I have a 3oTC which was advertised as the ballistic equilivelant of a 30-06. However, when hand loaded, the 30TC is a couple of hundred fps slower than the 30-06. I would imagine the 375 Ruger would be the same. I also think the lack of commercially available amunition does limit our choices. You can get 375 H&H from any ammunition manufacturer in a multitude of bullet configurations. You can only get .375 Ruger from hornady!
     

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