Which gun case to take

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I am only taking one rifle to South Africa, but I decided to pick up a tuffpak instead of using my cabelas case. The plan was to pad the gun in the tuffpak with my clothes. That plan has been derailed because KLM does not allow personal items to be in the case with the gun.

I think that, even with the rifle in a soft case in the tuffpak, it has too much free movement to make me comfortable. So, should I stick to the tuffpak but toss in some filler (perhaps bubble wrap or a couple extra soft gun cases, or that small obnoxious dog two houses over:unsure:) or skip the soft case and use the cabelas:unsure::unsure:?

My scope is in fixed mounts if that makes a difference.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
We used alum cases. They were double rifle cases. They were both made by the same company and one was a Cabelas case. They worked well.
 
I agree that it is a good case. But, I am leaning toward the tuffpak as I can put my cleaning kit, ear and eye protection in too. I have some other cases with foam I think I can use to further pad and fill the space.
 
NO DOUBT... with airline handling and safety issues, GO WITH THE HARD CASE EVERY TIME!!
You can always fold/ wrap a soft rifle bag to take along for the vehicle while hunting if you want to?
 
NO DOUBT... with airline handling and safety issues, GO WITH THE HARD CASE EVERY TIME!!
You can always fold/ wrap a soft rifle bag to take along for the vehicle while hunting if you want to?
Sorry I didn't express myself well. The tuffpak allows me to case my gun in a soft case thereby saving room in my luggage. The cabela case is too narrow to allow that. But, both cases are hard shell. The tuffpak is (I think) too roomy even with the cased gun alone.
 
I use the $180 lebaron model it has room for my gun in a soft case and the cleaning rod, tools, bipod etc. Plus it has wheels. http://www.lebaron.ca/pdf_files_fall12/plano_promax.pdf

The baggage monkeys haven't managed to break it yet but they did break one of my small padlocks (I carry 2 spares for that reason). Do not use TSA locks
 

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I leave on Wednesday and I am not able to get either at this point. Another item on the "to do differently" list. I was going to put bubble wrap or foam around the scope
 
The tuffpak is great, even with one gun. I've never yet had m scope change POI with it. Is a great system and extremely versatile.

Pack clothes and your jackets around the outside of the softcase. I start with my heaviest jacket or fleece wrapped around the scope area specifically and carefully. I will literally zip a jacket around it. When I'm done the rifle(s) are ti tight I promise.

I also like the stuff sack for the tuffpak. It makes the packing easier, at least for me and adds very little weight.

If I ever flew one of those silly gun only in the case airlines then I'd use bubble or foam to wrap with, but so far that hasn't happened and I hope to keep it that way.
 
I use a Cabelas hard case and it works great.
The problem with the cloth, socks, coats etc is when they have to inspect your rifle. Do you want to have to repackage the tuffpack in the TSA room at the airport? It would be great if they didn't have to check the rifle in! I have never found the people in charge at the airport in SA on the way back very friendly. You might be buying a new piece of luggage there to come back.
 
The problem with the cloth, socks, coats etc is when they have to inspect your rifle.

With the tuffpak this actually becomes easier. Remember, the rifle is still inside of its softcase and the tuffpak opens at the end.

Take end off, unzip end of softcase, and pull out rifle far enough for serial numbers to be read. Only in Zimbabwe have I ever been required to completely remove the rifle.

Heck, here in the states most of the time they simply look at the butt plate of the rifle. I rarely even have to pull out for them to check and see if loaded or not.
 
With the tuffpak this actually becomes easier. Remember, the rifle is still inside of its softcase and the tuffpak opens at the end.

Take end off, unzip end of softcase, and pull out rifle far enough for serial numbers to be read. Only in Zimbabwe have I ever been required to completely remove the rifle.

Heck, here in the states most of the time they simply look at the butt plate of the rifle. I rarely even have to pull out for them to check and see if loaded or not.

Here's the cause of my dilemma with tuffpak :
http://www.africahunting.com/threads/klm-a-few-tid-bits.29783/#post-278974

So I will have to modify things somewhat. I like the inconspicuous look of the tuffpak.
 
I use my Cabelas case. I saw the other thread concerning KLM and can't imagine why they will not allow you to place other items in the tuffpak. Crazy!
 
@Pheroze Its worth mentioning another thing beyond just saying "this americase is the best". A couple of horrible things can happen to guns in transport and I think I've seen the worst of it. I've had collector clients bring me weapons worth anywhere from $4000-$50,000 that were literally run over by vehicles (airport vehicles in South America seems a popular trend) and we've had to attempt a very difficult restoration on broken stocks with pins and rods afterwards. (in lieu of restocking a gun that could cost $5000-$10,000 not including wood)

So here are the key takeaways about gun cases to keep in mind:

1.) Foam isn't all the same. There is open celled foam and there is closed cell foam. Look at a custom fit case for say a $100,000 Meiselbach camera on the Internet or a similar high dollar item custom case interior. You'll note that the cells are closed and do not compress by the air squeezing out of them like a sponge. Good foam will be encapsulated, closed cell foam. This makes a huge difference when something is dropped. Closed cell foam has limited give and it is designed to isolate a valuable item. Alternatively, if you use open cell foam as the joules of force increases the weapon or any other item can defeat it because it doesn't provide as much resistance.

2.) 118 inches is important. That's the maximum combined LxWxH measurement. People have less problems when you approach that size limit because baggage monkeys are less likely to accidentally or purposefully run over big items. (they have to convince their boss it was an accident, right?)

3.) Squares and rectangles are more obvious. Single rifle flat cases when tossed lie flat and are less obvious. More often lost, more often run over. Less resistant to damage because they are thinner. Big square cases are going to be 12" or more off the ground no matter which side is up. That is an obvious thing to see.

4.) Aluminum exteriors are easier to see. Black cases are easily lost by handlers at night but metal cases aren't nearly so easy to overlook.

Just an aside: I never pack any accessories or optics with the guns for a variety of reasons. One good reason is that if there is nothing in the case but an obvious rifle baggage screeners don't feel compelled to bust locks to take a look at mysterious items. Also, in my case two guns will make the 50 pound weight limit without scopes but not with. (my 2 gun case is 27 pounds, my 3 gun is 33 pounds) The 2 gun cases hit 50 pound maximum for no surcharge, the 3 gun case full is just under the 70 pound maximum legal limit for all air packages even with surcharge.

I learned a lot of these practical considerations in a former life when we were sending computer servers across the world overnight and couldn't risk it arriving damaged. Effectively the same advice was seen in the premium gun trade.

I find the best way to go through life for me is to look at what those with infinite resources and best quality goods do for their purchasing decisions. 98% of the time the items selected by billionaires with the best advisors giving them product recommendations do not cost measurably more than the item I was going to buy anyway. The safari gun airline case that is used with a $500,000 pair of Hartmann and Weiss rifles in standard form costs $435. To own the best case isn't going to cost much more than most other options.
 
As others have said, the wealth of information, that participants on this site are willing to share, is impressive.

I have used the tuffpak with two rifle cases and the egg shell foam out of the Cabela's case. The rifle is in one gun case, locked and bolt removed. The bolt, ear plugs, shooting glasses, cleaning kit and some electrical tape in the other soft case. The foam covers the top of the soft cases to give a little extra over the scope and it is all in the tuffpak duffel bag; stuffed down into the hard, oddly shaped and large, plastic tuffpak, it seems very secure. Total weight 27.5lbs.

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