PHASA distances itself from Captive-bred Lion Hunting

One beautifully bred South African Lion approx. US$29,000 +
PHASA outfitter membership for one year R3,490.
I know where the breeders will go.

Yes you may lose the lucrative US market but Chinese, Russian and others will still be there.
 
]Marius I hear you, you need to remember PHASA did not make a decision on behalf of members, PHASA MEMBERS VOTED, this was the second time that the vote has taken place and it was a different result.

I also think we are assuming a bit much by believing that international bodies such as USFWS, will base a decision on what PHASA did at their AGM, after all they did not need any advise on closure of Brown Hyena, hippo in Moz, elle in Zim, Tanzania.

A total closure is on the cards I believe, give it chance to May with or without PHASA.

I say again how can one defend the practice especially in its current state with a clear conscience and with Moral conviction.

My best always
 
The two votes was pre and post Cecil, which can only mean that the noise made by the anti's had an effect.

I hear you but I must disagree to the voter (all of which informed active role players in the industry) there is a big difference between a illeagal hunt in Zim and the captive bred lion industry in SA.

I for one know for a fact that Cecil had nothing to do with my vote.......
John Soap uninformed public asked to vote and Cecil might have had an influence, but not this go around at PHASA.

My best always
 
I agree Jaco, and I also agree that there is a big difference between the illegal Cecil hunt, and the captive bred lion industry in South Africa. The point I was trying to make was that there was a hell of a lot more noise coming from the antis after the Cecil saga, than before it happened.
 
I know some say captive breed lions won't kill, but when stalking my lioness we came across a half mature waterbuck that one of the lions had gotten. I believe they can be released in the wild and still know how to hunt. The bigger danger of them being in the wild in my opinion is that they are used to people and might see them more as a potential meal then danger. Now to be fair I do not have any scientific evidence to back that up. But I do know for a fact captive breed lions can kill wild animals. If any of you have house cats, they were never taught to hunt but if they get out of the house, they always seem to get rabbits or little birds, it is just in their instinct. Same reason people have to keep their windows up at lions parks, there is always a wild factor that can't turn down an opportunity to hunt.
 
All I know is if you give a millimeter to the anti's they will take a mile.

People will say they are not going after my kudu hunting so who cares? I can tell you they all want it shut down....it's a slippery slope.

I can still see a future with no Big 5, crocodile, hippo anything like it hunted....because we never fought them hard on the lion front.
 
I'll await the scientists presentations at the next Convention of Parties coming up shortly.
Thus far, CITES had directed practices and recommendations based on SCIENCE.
 
PHASA position statment in 2013

ABRIDGED SOUTH AFRICAN PREDATORS ASSOCIATION NORMS AND STANDARDS FOR HUNTING RANCH LIONS IN SOUTH AFRICA (December 2013)


Keeping and rearing


Ø Keeping facilitiesmust bepositioned far away fromgeneralhuman facilities and amenities to ensure that human imprinting is kept to an absolute minimum

Ø Keeping facilities must meet the detailed specifications stipulated in the unabridged Norms.

Ø No hand rearing is allowed.

Ø “Hands off” management techniques must be adopted and exposure to the human environment must be minimised with regards to feeding, husbandry, medical care and environmental enrichment.

Hunting area


Ø The minimum size of the hunting area must be at least 1000 hectares but even larger hunting areas are strongly recommended

Ø The hunting area must comprise natural veldt. No agricultural or crop fields are allowed and there must be no internal fences.

Ø The hunting area must consist of diverse habitat types and not only open grassland.

Ø The hunting area must be self-sustaining with adequate water provision and natural prey species. No domesticated prey species are allowed.

Ø The hunting area must be at least 1 km away from the keeping facilities.

Ø Man-made structures must be limited to the absolute minimum and the area should not be in sight of structures such as buildings, power lines and towers.


Release period and the hunt


Ø The release period must be a minimum of seven days.

Ø The lion must be alert, healthy and fully acquainted with the hunting area.

Ø No feeding or baiting whatsoever is allowed.

Ø The hunt must take the form of a walk-and-stalk hunt (exceptions can be made for disabled hunters).

Ø The hunt must meet all relevant legal requirements.

Marketing and contract


Ø The hunt must be marketed as at least a seven day hunt.

Ø Marketing material must stipulate that a captive bred lion will be hunted. No misrepresentation may take place.

Ø Catalogue type marketing is not allowed.

Ø A written contract with the client must be prepared when the hunt is booked stipulating inter alia:

Ø the fact that a captive bred lion will be hunted;

Ø the size of the hunting area;

Ø the period of release of the lion that is to be potentially hunted;

Ø the expected time frame of the hunt, i.e. the aforesaid minimum 7 days;

Ø the estimated number of lions in the hunting area; and

Ø the cost of the hunt.
 
PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 1 of 7

5 December 2013

POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING

This position paper has been updated and replaces any previous versions sent.

PHASA strongly opposes any form of “canned” hunting and will discipline any of its

members who participate in such an activity. PHASA will continue to work with

government and law enforcement agencies, as it has done in the past, to eradicate this

practice. This position was re-affirmed at the PHASA AGM in 2013.

LION HUNTING - PHASA’S HISTORICAL POSITION

Historically PHASA’s view on the hunting of captive bred lions was covered by our general

policy on hunting:

PHASA supports the responsible hunting of all species in a sustainable extensive

wildlife system that can fend for themselves, provided that such species are hunted

according to the laws of the land and the PHASA Code of Conduct.

Developments regarding captive-bred lion hunting, however, necessitated a review of

PHASA’s position on the matter. These included the South African Predators Association

(SAPA) winning their appeal against the Minister of Environmental Affairs, effectively ending

any attempts by the Government to prohibit the hunting of captive-bred lions in the

foreseeable future; continued strong growth in demand for lion hunting; and the

involvement of unethical practices in captive-bred hunting.

In this light and accepting the fact that captive-bred hunting was here to stay, PHASA

resolved at its 2011 AGM to enter into a dialogue with SAPA to improve the conditions in

which lions are reared and hunted. It further resolved at that AGM that it would be an

abdication of its duties to simply distance itself from the practice while ignoring continued

unethical practices taking place in captive-bred hunting.

Over a two-year period PHASA has assisted SAPA to draft a strong set of Norms that PHASA

believes is one of the starting points to ensure that captive-bred lion hunting is done

responsibly.

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 2 of 7

LION HUNTING - PHASA’S CURRENT POSITION

PHASA concurs with the South African government’s position that the breeding of lions in

captivity does not threaten our wild lion populations or bio-diversity conservation and that

the hunting of such lions is sustainable.

PHASA acknowledges that the hunting of captive bred lions will, for the foreseeable future,

remain part of the South African hunting industry. PHASA believes that it is imperative that

such hunting should be done in a responsible manner and that such hunts must at all times,

comply with nature conservation laws and conform to the PHASA Code of Conduct and other

policies.

Accordingly, PHASA accepts, as the MINIMUM norms for such hunting by its members, the

Norms and Standards as set out in the “POLICY DOCUMENT: Norms and Standards for

hunting ranch lions in South Africa” as adopted by the South African Predators Association at

its AGM on 16 November 2013.

LION HUNTING IN SOUTH AFRICA – THE CURRENT SITUATION

South Africa is currently the continent’s top lion hunting destination. In 2012 lion hunting

generated in excess of R121 million in direct spending. The funds generated by lion hunting

contribute to the maintenance of extensive wildlife systems, natural habitat rehabilitation

and the consequent conservation of the other species found in those areas.

South Africa is home to 2 700 wild lions, among the continent’s largest populations, and a

further 5 000 captive bred lions. At a combined total of 7 700 lions, South Africa is second

only to Tanzania, a country which is home to 16 800 lions and which also recognises the

importance of lion hunting to its conservation efforts. Like Tanzania, South Africa is one of a

few African countries where lion population numbers are stable and on the increase.

It is worth noting that the countries showing the most alarming decrease in lion population

numbers are those where lion hunting is prohibited such as Kenya and Botswana. In fact

following a blanket ban on all commercial hunting activities in Kenya in the late Seventies,

Kenya’s wildlife population has decreased dramatically with some experts estimating the

wildlife loss in that country at close to 80%.

Local and international media often confuse canned hunting with captive-bred hunting. The

practice of canned hunting is illegal in South Africa and prohibited by PHASA’s code of

conduct. A “canned” hunt is defined as when the animal is hunted in an enclosure small

enough to prohibit it from evading the hunter, or when the animal is hunted while

tranquilised.

Captive bred animals, on the other hand, may legally be hunted after they are released into

an extensive wildlife system and then subjected to a release period so that the animal can

rehabilitate itself to its new surroundings. The hunt would then take place in accordance

with legislation and PHASA’s code of conduct.

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 3 of 7

Legislation governing trophy hunting is extensive with the following permits needed for it to

take place legally:

a provincial hunting permit (which would, among other requirements, expressly

prohibit canned hunting practices as described earlier), a national TOPS (Threatened

and Protected Species) permit and a CITES permit for the exportation of the trophy.

Hunting of captive bred lions is sustainable and not a threat to bio-diversity conservation.

PHASA strongly opposes any practices that in any way threaten bio-diversity conservation.

Additionally, given the threat that certain lion populations outside South Africa face, it

cannot at this time be excluded that captive bred lions may in the future play a role in lion

conservation elsewhere.

THE MELISSA BACHMAN INCIDENT

We have no reason to believe that Ms Bachman’s hunt did not comply with national and

provincial legislation. We have also asked the hunting outfitter and professional hunter who

respectively arranged and oversaw the safari and they have said that Ms Bachman’s hunt

conformed to PHASA’s code of conduct including the principle of a “fair chase”. Local and

international media have wrongly claimed Ms Bachman’s safari to be a canned hunting

expedition.

Ms Bachman’s only crime seems to be her posting her trophy photos on a public platform.

We believe she should have anticipated the public fallout this would have created given the

emotional attachment people have to iconic animals such as lions.

It is regrettable that such an incident should overshadow the significant contribution hunting

has had on South Africa’s remarkable conservation success story. Hunters are first and

foremost conservationists and it’s worth noting that a professional hunter license is the

highest guide and ranger qualification one can get in Southern Africa. Our members spend

most of the year tracking game and their on-the-ground knowledge and perspective of our

wildlife is unparalleled.

THE WAY FORWARD

PHASA views the SAPA norms as a stepping-stone to clean up the captive-bred lion hunting

industry. PHASA does not believe that those norms are the final word on the hunting of

lions.

PHASA will always strongly advise its members to set the standards for hunting even higher.

In this regard PHASA is in the process of further dialogue with SAPA.

PHASA believes that the hunting of captive bred lions MUST result in direct funding for

conservation and research programmes in respect of wild lions. PHASA furthermore believes

that such hunting MUST contribute to social upliftment projects, especially in our poorer

rural communities. PHASA has, through its Conservation and Empowerment Fund, a proud

and phenomenal history in these fields and will use its expertise to make a meaningful

contribution. PHASA is in the process of discussing such funding with SAPA and is also

looking at such projects on its own.

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 4 of 7

PHASA welcomes working with all stakeholders to develop a coherent approach to the longterm

future of our wildlife and natural areas.

PHASA is a dynamic association that continues to monitor developments. PHASA will do the

same with the lion hunting industry and from time to time review its position.

CONTEXT, BACKGROUND AND HUNTING IN GENERAL

Hunting, sustainable use and bio-diversity conservation

With an estimated 19 000 white rhinos in South Africa, representing around 90% of the

world’s total rhino population, few people are aware that trophy hunting played a pivotal

role in the expansion of rhino across South Africa and many people consider trophy hunting

one of the biggest contributors in bringing the white rhino back from the brink of extinction.

During the early Sixties leading conservationists recognised that for rhino numbers to

increase, their habitat had to grow beyond that of the few provincial parks where they

occurred and that an economic incentive was needed for landowners to keep rhino on their

property

In order to achieve this rhino was put back on the hunting list which, thanks to the large

amount of money hunters were prepared to pay for the privilege, resulted in rhino

populations ballooning. This was the beginning of South Africa’s remarkable conservation

success story.

Thanks to legislation allowing for the private ownership of game and limited, sustainable

trophy hunting, the total head of game in South Africa soared from around 500 000 in the

early Sixties to some 20 million today, of which 16 million are privately owned. At the same

time private game reserves in the country increased from only four in the Sixties to an

estimated 10 000, covering an estimated 20.5 million hectares of land. In comparison, all

South Africa’s national and state parks comprise only 7.5 million hectares.

To put it into perspective: private enterprise owns three times more land dedicated to

wildlife and four-fifths of all the game, managed under very successful and effective

conservation programmes, than all the state-owned parks and reserves combined. Game has

overtaken cattle, which now number only some 14 million, and vast tracts of land have been

reclaimed from livestock-rearing and agricultural use for wildlife conservation. This is

unheard of anywhere else in the world and it is almost entirely due to trophy hunting.

Additionally, due to the demand by trophy hunters, species such as the bontebok, black

wildebeest, roan antelope and sable, which were once very scarce, have been successfully

reintroduced to areas where they had become locally extinct.

Policy of leading conservation bodies on sustainable use

Most leading conservation bodies (as opposed to animal rights and welfare groups) consider

controlled, sustainable and legal trophy hunting as a valuable conservation tool. These

include the Convention for the International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and the

International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), the latter being the world’s first

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 5 of 7

global environmental organisation and the largest professional international conservation

network.

What follows is an extract from the IUCN’s sustainable use policy statement:

Conservation of biological diversity is central to the mission of IUCN, and accordingly IUCN

recommends that decisions of whether to use, or not to use, wild living resources should be

consistent with this aim.

Both consumptive and non-consumptive use of biological diversity are fundamental to the

economies, cultures, and well-being of all nations and peoples.

Use, if sustainable, can serve human needs on an ongoing basis while contributing to the

conservation of biological diversity.

Position of the South African government

Trophy hunting is legal in South Africa and the activity is endorsed and fully supported by the

Department of Environmental Affairs, among others, as a vital component of the country’s

overall wildlife conservation strategy.

Tourism, of which trophy hunting forms an important part, is a priority economic sector in

the government’s Medium-Term Strategic Framework, which identifies, among others, the

following overall priorities:

Creating decent work and sustainable livelihoods

Rural development, food security and land reform

Building cohesive and sustainable communities

Furthermore, South Africa’s New Growth Plan identifies tourism as one of the six core pillars

of growth. The Industrial Policy Action Plan (IPAP2) indicates that tourism is one of the areas

expected to contribute to the development of, among others, rural areas by growing the

economy and creating jobs.

Hunting and the economy

Preliminary figures for 2012 indicate that hunting alone contributed R6,7 billion to the South

African GDP. Live game sales generated a further R1 billion. These figures do not take into

account capital expenditure and other value chain contributions (e.g. taxidermy, hotels,

shopping, side trips etc.). The value chain sustained 140,000 jobs. Approximately 9,000

overseas hunters visit South Africa every year, each spending on average R140,000.

Hunting and communities

Rural communities in Africa benefit directly from controlled, legal trophy hunting. These

benefits include direct revenue receipts (license and concession fees), infrastructure

developments (schools, roads, clinics, etc.) paid for by hunting companies, job creation and

skills transfer and improved food security (through the provision of meat and crop protection

against problem animals).

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 6 of 7

Most hunting in South Africa takes place on private land and as such does not affect local

communities to the same extent as in other parts of Africa. PHASA acknowledges that it

needs to substantially increase the direct benefits that rural communities receive from

hunting and is through its Conservation and Empowerment Fund in the process of addressing

this issue through its Conservation and Empowerment Fund.

Hunting and Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment

Trophy hunting in particular is an excellent vehicle to drive BBBEE in the professional hunting

and wildlife industries through training, skills development and education. PHASA

acknowledges the critical importance of transformation, particularly in poor, rural

communities. PHASA has, over the past six years, raised in excess of R10 million for the

training of approximately 1,250 students from previously disadvantaged communities.

Photographic tourism

Non-consumptive photographic eco-tourism has been highly promoted as an alternative to

hunting but the reality is that this sector is already saturated. Non-consumptive eco-tourism

is also not commercially viable in large parts of Africa given that photographic eco-tourism is

dependent on high densities of game (visitors want to see the Big Five in only a day or two)

as well as scenic beauty.

HUNTING - ETHICS AND MORALITY

The concepts of ethics and morals are often confused. While, both relate to “right” and

“wrong” conduct, morals are subjective and differ from culture to culture as well as from

person to person. Ethics, however, refer to a set of rules applied by external sources such as

laws, traditions, customs and professional codes of conduct.

PHASA’s job is not to prescribe morals. PHASA’s duty is to ensure that hunting is done in a

responsible, lawful and sustainable manner.

PHASA recognises that there are, from a philosophical and academic perspective, arguments

on both sides of the spectrum insofar as the morality of hunting is concerned. PHASA

furthermore respects every individual’s choice not to partake in any activity, including

hunting, with which he or she may not feel comfortable.

The animal rights/animal welfare movements (as opposed to true conservation bodies)

approach the morality of hunting largely from the perspective of their own emotions and the

individual animal while ignoring the indisputable evidence that most conservation success

stories are by and large the result of sustainable utilization programmes.

Hunters could counter-argue that it is immoral to put the interest of individual animals above

that of the species, eco-systems, overall wildlife populations and rural communities. This

counter-argument is particularly potent considering that wildlife would be confined to our

national parks and a few private reserves if hunting practices were prohibited.

PHASA POSITION PAPER ON LION HUNTING, 05/12/2013 Page 7 of 7

“… hunting is moral if it contributes to man’s welfare, the welfare of the ecosystem. To refer

once again to Whitehead’s remark, hunting is moral if it is in the end life-sustaining.”

Professor Theodore Vitali, quoting Alfred North Whitehead, one of the most respected 20th

Century philosophers.

Queries: We are happy to field any queries and can be reached by email at ceo@phasa.co.za

or telephonically on +27 12 667 2048.

Hermann Meyeridricks (Ms) Adri Kitshoff

President Chief Executive Officer
 
Here is a classic position paper from PHASA.
I support the idea behind PHASA but some of the utter @#$%^& that gets put forth makes me wonder some days.


"PHASA position on colour variants and intensive game-breeding (adopted at the PHASA AGM on 19 November 2014)
PHASA rejects the following:

Any notion or claim that colour variants are bred to satisfy a significant demand in the trophy hunting market.

Any notion or claim that the breeding of animals with abnormally large horn lengths is driven by a significant demand in the trophy hunting market."



and they are being bred for???

1. A new general aesthetic on the African plains. There was not enough diversity of colour before?
2. The Bushveld looked a little bland and needed some sprucing up in Limpopo.
3. Springbok were really ugly to start out with and the new Rand coins needed some options.
4. Mother nature is clueless and the more variants the merrier.
5. Horn size is irrelevant to trophy hunters and the breeders are really working on eliminating horns all together.
6. The prices at auction have nothing to do with horn size. They are trying smuggle Sable from Zambia because the Sable miss their relatives. You can not break up a a family with artificial rules and international borders.
7. The Springbok Slam is really a new dance move from Alabama. It is not a hunting term.
8. Sliding scale trophy fees based on horn size are just misprints. (all of them)
 
Here is a classic position paper from PHASA.
I support the idea behind PHASA but some of the utter @#$%^& that gets put forth makes me wonder some days.


"PHASA position on colour variants and intensive game-breeding (adopted at the PHASA AGM on 19 November 2014)
PHASA rejects the following:

Any notion or claim that colour variants are bred to satisfy a significant demand in the trophy hunting market.

Any notion or claim that the breeding of animals with abnormally large horn lengths is driven by a significant demand in the trophy hunting market."


and they are being bred for???

1. A new general aesthetic on the African plains. There was not enough diversity of colour before?
2. The Bushveld looked a little bland and needed some sprucing up in Limpopo.
3. Springbok were really ugly to start out with and the new Rand coins needed some options.
4. Mother nature is clueless and the more variants the merrier.
5. Horn size is irrelevant to trophy hunters and the breeders are really working on eliminating horns all together.
6. The prices at auction have nothing to do with horn size. They are trying smuggle Sable from Zambia because the Sable miss their relatives. You can not break up a a family with artificial rules and international borders.
7. The Springbok Slam is really a new dance move from Alabama. It is not a hunting term.
8. Sliding scale trophy fees based on horn size are just misprints. (all of them)


Noted Wayne but be realistic golden gnu bred for hunting?
Q. Who is willing to pay $20 000 for a golden Gnu?
You?
Same with black Impala, and any other color variant.
I say again there are two different industries in SA game breeding (men with deep pockets not much sense and great tax advisers) and the hunting industry.
Anyone semi up to date with the goings on in the breeding front will notice that it's impossible to marry these two at the moment.
The two as you are suggesting above are not nearly as inter twined as suggested.

My best always
 
It's kind of funny that almost absolutely no one has a problem with the breeding of a black impala, golden wildebeest....and other silly color phaseso_Oo_Oo_O. But it you breed a lion for hunting the whole world is going to end.:whistle::whistle::whistle:

More decision are made on emotions than common sense;););).

Anyone that thinks hunting is not effected by the closure of lion hunting, better wake up....it just raises prices on everything else.:mad:
 
It's kind of funny that almost absolutely no one has a problem with the breeding of a black impala, golden wildebeest....and other silly color phaseso_Oo_Oo_O. But it you breed a lion for hunting the whole world is going to end.:whistle::whistle::whistle:

More decision are made on emotions than common sense;););).

Anyone that thinks hunting is not effected by the closure of lion hunting, better wake up....it just raises prices on everything else.:mad:
Yep, it's a really short jump from lions to plains game, regardless of the color. And driving up the prices, keeping the average guy hunting what he can afford close to home.
 
captive-bred lion hunting until such time as the South African Predators’ Association (SAPA) could prove the conservation value of this practice to both PHASA and the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN).

It seems easy then, short term PHASA distances itself from this practice until proven where the conservation lies, so all that has to happen is to prove the Conservation value and then PHASA will support the practice again. How hard can that be?
 
.........
I say again there are two different industries in SA game breeding (men with deep pockets not much sense and great tax advisers) and the hunting industry. .................

You will not see me signing up any time soon for a Golden Gnu.

Forgot about the other game in town. Deep pockets and tax advisors!
 
The problem is that the lion breeding, canned hunt industry (In South Africa) has a well documented history of unethical behaviour and standards. No hunting related organisation has achieved any change to that business to my knowledge.
DEMAND CONTINUES. The laws of economics say that canned hunting will continue. If not in South Africa then elsewhere. The dollars will follow.
 
Who gives a rat ass what phasa thinks on hunting other then themselves. I have news for all of you phasa backers. To a whole bunch of us hunters you mean nothing on who we hunt with or what you say about what us hunters hunt. Just another group who likes to pat themselves on the back with doing very little to help anyone other then themselves. I pick the places I hunt for a lot of reason and being a phasa member has nothing to do with it. With the choice they have decide to make I look at them now no different then any other of the nuts who want to stop hunting.

The good thing is there is enough and I am betting more who drop out of phasa after the bs they have started to go hunt with in SA. The damage they will cause by being so one side on this battle will bite them in the ass in time. Sa got the game animals back by breeding and selling hunts to us clients. No clients no animals no money see that trail of money.
 

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