Blood Lions: Blowing The Lid Off The Canned Hunting Industry

Things are getting serious!

I learned long ago that it isn't what you say so much as the way you say it that can educate and bring people to your way of thinking.

JGRaider said:

Well, I didn't write the article, I read it over on AR and thought it was interesting, just as I said at first. I also told you why I thought it was interesting, and obviously it is since we're on page 3 now. I also agree with Redleg, and do not think it's hunting, which is what I posted over on AR. Lastly, I could care less how/why some poeple hunt as long as it's legal.

As to the liar thing.....I'll be happy to meet you in the AR room at DSC and let you call me a liar face to face.

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Well the first time you answered me you know it was part bs. I knew why you posted it as you dont like high fence hunts. Even though you have done it and made a glowing report about that hunt. So which is the truth the report you made or that fact you dont like high fence hunts.. I just call them like I see them. The whole I am better then you way of thinking of that other site does not fly with me at all.

I would not bother coming to some ar room but will be glad to meet you at dsc. Not sure if you think I would be scared off by your tough guy stance but not a problem at all.I have learned one thing in life when guys through that out they normally know there wrong so then the tough guy comes out but that is all good with me.

Well, you don't know squat about me. Yes, I made a positive report about my SA high fenced hunt with (I will not name the operator), even though I'm not even sure they're still in business. It was misrepresented, and I didn't know what I didn't know, as it was my first trip to Africa. I had a blast because my good buddy went with me with his bow. It was, in fact, misrepresented. I chose not to roast the outfitter at that time, and won't do it now, but the gist of it was I was promised that we would hunt a 10,000 + acre place, but in fact we hunted a 4000 acre farm. It isn't my thing, as I can do that in the TX Hill Country, but choose not to.

For the record, I don't like to hunt small high fenced, put and take places, unless my sole goal is a meat hunt.

I know as much about you as you know of me. I knew enough to see your hunt report for what it was and you were not happy with the hunt. Though the report makes it out as all was ok though. So did you tell the truth there or not. Sounds to me like the whole truth did not come out. So what would you call someone who does not tell the whole truth. For the record I have told a lie or two myself so not a perfect person here by any means.

You then give this bs movie a thread and when asked why gave the reason you did when again I knew why you did it. Plan and simple you dont like high fence hunts. Have no problem with you not wanting to hunt high fence your choice. Just like when all the facts come out why someone does something. We all have reason why we post stuff and if asked I will say why not give some reply to skate by on.

Re-read my post.....I had fun on a misrepresented hunt. That is fact, not a lie. I cannot make it more simple than that.

I feel as hunters we need to respect each other on how and what we hunt. I personally won't shoot a giraffe, but I will still congratulate someone on a successful giraffe hunt. As long as the hunting is legal and ethical we should be supportive. Boone and Crockett's description of hunter's ethics:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.

2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.

3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.

4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.

5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.

6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.

I believe these apply to hunting around the world. So if someone does a hunt that does fit these criteria but you don't like for personal reasons, for example how I don't want to shoot a giraffe. Be supportive of one another. Now if something is unethical or the animal does not have a fair chance then this needs to be addressed in a civil/respectful manner.

Part of Boone and Crockett's statement on "canned" hunting:
UNETHICAL “CANNED” SHOOTING (IMPROPERLY REFERRED TO AS “CANNED” HUNTING.)
The Boone and Crockett Club condemns the pursuit and killing of any big game animal kept in or released from captivity to be killed in an artificial or bogus “hunting” situation where the game lacks the equivalent chance to escape afforded free-ranging animals, virtually assuring the shooter a certain or unrealistically favorable chance of a kill.

If a fenced property adheres to proper ethics and allows adequate room for the animal to escape just as well as a free-ranging animal could then its fine. Only if a hunter/outfitter etc breaks these should we be negative to each other. If a hunter chooses to hunt a raised lion but the lion has a fair chance to run/hide/escape etc and the hunt is ethical don't look down on each other. Everyone would like to spend big bucks on a "wild" lion but reality is not many can. So a raised lion is the best ethical and fair chase hunt many can do.

I always ask this open question.
Tell me about the conservation plan in place...for Kenya, for Botswana, for Angola....
There really is no plan, just poor political decision.
People love to use the word "canned" because it's a provoking statement. They could use captive raised....but chose "canned" for a reason.
A lot of drama again on this subject. We either stick to together or fall apart at the seams. The anti's have picked the perfect subject. So sad that we turn on one another again.

This subject has been discussed at length several times on this forum, so maybe it´s about time to move on, unless we want to discuss.....white lions (again).

Well, since people are fighting and talking about canned hunts this just seemed appropriate.

I hope Jaco's royalty fees aren't too high...

Good thinking Royal!

Nyati said:

This subject has been discussed at length several times on this forum, so maybe it´s about time to move on, unless we want to discuss.....white lions (again).

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sorry dennis I like royals picture better. LOL I just not sure if those are free range or raised on her. But lucky for me I am ok with both ways

im not gonna lie.. now I want some mcdonalds burgers!

Dang you Royal!

I've always been pro can hunting.

Very Nice CAN HUNT Royal....you share such good pictures.....LOL

The truth is people like you wanna justify and claim that the lions are wild and would attack a humam more so than a truly wild lion. Its funny armerians like you claiming to have so much knowlege about hunting and how animals are suppose to be hunted truth is, you dont know how old those lions are probably being fed bait and they dnt knw how to hunt. Take a look at home many lions hartzview take a year? Please its all about turn over and how many hunts they can sell and claim its for converation! Please raising an animal for the sole purpsose of it being shot is not hunting neither is it somthing l would be proud to boost about. The reason that Tanzanian lion are so expensive is because you are hunting a real lion not some show trophy to show off to your American friends and claim it was so wild when you shot it unknowingly eating a piece of meat you put the there. You are not helping conversation by giving the same people money to carry one this slaughter of african wildlife shame on you and anyone who promotes this type of shooting.

bushpig said:

Pretty gobsmacked that there are people here defending canned lion killing.

I'd suggest people put their paranoia aside for one minute and see this as an attack on a practice of dubious conservation value (pen raising top predators in an small environment does zero for landscape scale conservation); putting aside moral arguments, the general public, never mind the antis, will never condone this.

A ban is inevitable - it would been far more forward thinking for one of the hunters organisations to come out and condemn this, but I'm afraid they are way behind the curve regarding public opinion. And real hunting could end up suffering as a result.

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Please also see the article on page 22 of the African outfitter of the July August edition . Seven well known South African outfitters have formed an association called SAMPEO . Their objective is basically to highlight their abhorrence against the practice of hunting captive bred lions . Finally ethical safari operaters may have a voice . I will not say any more for fear of my post being deleted from this forum as has happened but it goes without saying there are many representatives of south African operaters who are making a killing from captive bred lion hunting who will be up in arms over this latest development but it is about time someone took a stand against this type of hunting.