SOUTH AFRICA: Tootabi Hunting Safaris What Is The Wounded Policy And Billing Issues

@Billcollector , I agree with you, would much rather prefer to talk hunting. Time to definitely get some closure, I am guessing Royal didn't get closure, that is why he has posted on AH. Now another two posts about payments...I guess 5 honest mistakes might not be a big deal for some.
 
I will say, reading Royal's hunting report, I felt there was trouble with the blue duiker hunt. You are taught assessment skills in medical training. It felt like the issue was not resolved. Mistakes happen in hunting. I know hunting blue duiker with dogs could bring this kind of predicament to the surface. You have the dog team, which doesn't work for free and then you have the hunter trying to judge male or female...shoot or don't shoot and a small animal zig zagging and trying to get away. The worst nightmare happen on this hunt. I just hope things get worked out (n).

They say life is about the little things....it sure is............
 
Wheels.....I can assure you I am not standing up for anyone, my experience was non eventful regarding any mistakes on the billing, I was hounding Loodt for the invoice the night before to settle our financial obligations. Again on the last day in the afternoon I wanted to settle then, before we started packing and enjoying a few glasses of wine that evening. If anything I pushed Loodt for the invoice and believe totally that the oversight on the deposit was nothing more than being rushed to provide that to me and for us to settle.. Total time to settle the invoice may have been three minutes....for him to complete the paid invoice. The last day was pretty hectic for us all, we were leaving early and Loodt was also flying out that morning on an earlier flight than us. The manner in which the invoice was presented and satisfied was totally acceptable to me without a concern on my part. The invoice reflected an extra animal my son shot and returned with late on the afternoon of the last day. As soon as he arrived Loodt updated the invoice to reflect the charge and we settled..non eventful. I think some are trying to read certain things into some of these posts to suit their agenda. Do what you will with other posts but do not try to interpret any of my posts to suit your agenda. I have been around long enough dealing with the public to see thru questionable actions, nothing in my activity with Tootabi are in my opinion questionable....I was there, I know exactly what transpired regarding my settlement. Being in business for over 50 years I have seen just about it all, so my experience with vendors has been a bit more than the average persons.
 
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Well I have said my feelings on the issue. I understand mistakes can be made from time to time. Everyone makes them, myself included, but it's a matter of a mistake of the heart or mistake of the mind, mistakes of the mind are excuseable mistakes of the heart are not. The lack of response from Loodt gives me serious doubt that it was a mistake of the mind. We are 9 pages in and still no response. I'm all about giving one the opportunity to explain their side of the story and ample time has passed. It's turned into a shit storm and spiraled way out of control. I think the lack of response is is a resounding answer. I hope I am wrong but I fear that I am not. At this point we are :S Beat Dead Horse:.
 
Only saw this now. I know both Royal and Loodt, and have not spoken to either of them about this. As I also offer quite a few low priced packages on this forum I know that this issue can unfortunately lead to wrong impressions about these kind of hunts, which it should not.
Loodt, please give a response and make things right for the sake of all of us who stood up for you.

Having met both these guys I am sure this can be resolved.
 
$1,900 for a blue duiker?

Wow... I guess when you have harvested every thing else to start on the really small stuff

I run a group that has many 5 star boutique hotels and agree with Billcollector it is unbelievable that Loodt has not yet clarified and sorted this out. My company lives and dies on TripAdvisor.com, and if we responded (or not) like this we would be out of business.

I can only surmise either Loodt does not understand the gravity of this thread, he does not care, or is avoiding answering due to not knowing how to extracte himself from this situation. Now too many speak too highly of him for him to not care, so my (perhaps ignorant) money is on the first or last points.

Loodt - please put this issue to bed - ASAP...

Ado
 
reading through the thread i noticed where Loodt was able to send a text message to Billc saying he was away and unable to get to a computer but will respond when he gets back, am sure everyone can agree that is a possibility when out hunting in Africa that the internet isn't something you can have access to easily
 
reading through the thread i noticed where Loodt was able to send a text message to Billc saying he was away and unable to get to a computer but will respond when he gets back, am sure everyone can agree that is a possibility when out hunting in Africa that the internet isn't something you can have access to easily

seems to be logged in on here now, no 10...............

  1. spike.t,
  2. TMS,
  3. Royal27,
  4. Mr. 16 gauge,
  5. Quinton,
  6. huntsolo101,
  7. All-American Taxidermy,
  8. dobber,
  9. Upton O. Good,
  10. Tootabi Hunting Safaris,
  11. mowerman24,
  12. Bruinmaster,
  13. Hogpatrol,
  14. G Skinner,
  15. KMG Hunting Safaris,
  16. norfolk shooter,
  17. Areaonereal,
  18. Pheroze,
  19. Bos
 
In South Africa you have signal in most places. Especially when you see him watching the thread, makes you wonder.
 
My sentiments are with @Areaonereal on the billing issue. It was a non-issue then and still a non-issue for me. Really, if that's the best complaint I can come up for my trip, and it is, I think that's pretty good.
 
Been watching this thread for a number of days now......I have really resisted the urge to post, but I feel that there are some things that I need to be state.

I am a "newer" member of AH; I don't have the experience or connections that most here have. I don't know people by their first names; only by 'screen names', "handles", and via the pictures that they post. I haven't hunted with other members of AH. I haven't talked on the phone with any member of AH. I don't know the business dealings or relationships between members.......but I do know that there are business dealings/relationships! Having said that, since I don't know the extent of those business dealings or relationships, and since I don't want to be potentially burned, this whole muddy mess has me reconsidering choices for upcoming hunts. The fact that one's side of the story has not been stated in nine pages of postings, yet that party is able to view it, send emails, talk on the phone with other members, etc., causes me to raise an eyebrow and ask myself some serious questions. Is "guilt by association" a fair way to consider an outfitter? Probably not, but what else does one have to go on, other than the word of a bunch of anonymous posters on an internet forum? I've been burned before by slick websites, internet reviews, etc......it's not a pleasant experience. And for the record, they had "friends" in that camp that "stood up" and "vouched" for them.......as we were being taken to the cleaners!
The fact that one person has not responded to this issue raises a number of red flags for me; I can only imagine that it is doing the same for a number of other viewers woh have not posted anything. What I have taken away from this thread is to make sure what various policies/procedures are, that they be stated in a written agreement, and to follow those policies/procedures to the letter, irregardless!
...but there is also some collateral damage being done that might not be so visible.
Maybe the individual who hasn't posted yet has nothing to say.............at least that's what I'm taking away from this. And if that's the case, then it speaks volumes. They also need to know that it not only impacts his business, but others that he has business relationships with. I'm sure that I won't have trouble finding someone to take my money when it comes to booking a second trip to Africa, and while I would like to consider a sponsor from this site, the whole "friends" thing has me reconsidering that option, based on my personal past experiences with "friends" vouching for "friends".

But one thing is for sure............this thread has become a train wreck; a bad soap opera! Nobody really wants to look, but nobody can really help themselves from looking!

....but I am going to try and do my best to keep from looking..........at least for a while.

Peace out, and take care.....................
 
I truly think this thread is now going to cause trouble amongst other hunters and clients, I blame one person... Loodt! He bullshitted Royal, bullshitted us that he doesn't have signal. Loodt operates in a total different environment to me, I have nothing to gain from my opinion. Going back to reading older post, I can understand why Beans, original Tootabi is not impressed.
 
16, I wish I had seen your post before I posted, I am sitting in a remote area, I can use my phone to post. The train smash scenario is totally correct.
 
Gents I am pretty sure Loodt will post here,won't be the first time he replies when he is good and ready. Given the situation I am sure he is checking the contract and other correspondence he had with Royal,also pretty sure he has had a chat with Jeff on his policy. May take a while given the admin problems he has,but let's see.
I can only wonder if he would have taken so long to reply to a client that wanted to book a hunt?

Whatever he does now is a damed if I do damed if I don't kind of situation.
As Simon says ( no pun) the damage to the Loodt and others have been done and the spill over will only make it harder for anyone else. Pity,man's word use to be better than any piece of paper.
 
How about the STORMERS Rugby team this season man they've played good Rugby!

The bulls and the sharks well they suck! They seem to think that photo shoots win games!

Go lions you're my big respect team for the season!
 
How about the STORMERS Rugby team this season man they've played good Rugby!

The bulls and the sharks well they suck! They seem to think that photo shoots win games!

Go lions you're my big respect team for the season!

:E Rofl:great change of track jaco :E Oh Yeah::D Beers:
 
How about the STORMERS Rugby team this season man they've played good Rugby!

The bulls and the sharks well they suck! They seem to think that photo shoots win games!

Go lions you're my big respect team for the season!

What is this rugby you speak of? o_Oo_Oo_O
 
Yup! And then some.....
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