The road to hell is paved by idiots...

Wrote my letter; hope it makes an impact.

Here is a copy (sorry, I'm not very computer literate, so I will have to cut and paste).



Mr. Edward H. Bastian

Delta Airlines

P.O. Box 20706

Atlanta, GA 30320-6001



Dear Mr. Bastian,

It has recently come to my attention that there are some well meaing, but grossly misinformed, people that want you to stop the transport of legally taken big game trophies from South Africa. South African Airlines has already crumbled to the voice of these ignorant people, and now they are hoping that you do the same.

They feel that by preventing the transport of said trophies, that they are “saving” animals…..and nothing could be further from the truth! As I’m sure you are aware of, the best way to “save” something is to give it worth; to give it “value”. South Africa and Namibia have done just that with their vast expanses of wildlife. They have not only catered to the sport hunter, but the meat from those animals that are hunted are used by people on a continent where famine and hunger abound. We must ask ourselves this question: Why is it that the wildlife in countries such as Namibia and South Africa continue to thrive, while the animal populations in other countries (which ban hunting), are on the decline…..some of which are dangerously so! The reason is simple; those countries that have allowed hunting (and export of trophies) have put a “value” on a precious commodity that will ensure its survival for decades to come. They have given it “worth”; they have given it “value”.

If one looks historically at what has happened in Africa, you will see that when animal populations are allowed to run rampant and out of control, and there is no means to control it (i.e. hunting), then the whole species suffers and declines, whereas if a few of the older, more mature animals were to be harvested, the population as a whole, benefits greatly. One need only look at the countries that have imposed a ban on elephant hunting to protect “illegal ivory” from being trafficked. Those countries banned elephant hunting; the elephant populations grew and became a nuisance to farmers & others as they moved out of their normal areas in search of food. The animals then became a target of poachers, as they had no “worth” and huge sums of money could be had by selling the ivory illegally. And now that there were fewer animals to poach, because many succumbed to drought and starvation, the price went up on illegal ivory and even more poaching ensued, causing further endanger of extinction to those species.

One need not look far to see success stories were hunting and hunters actually preserved a species via hunting: the black buck antelope. Almost extinct in its native India and Pakistan, the black buck antelope was actually repopulated from hunting preserves in Texas in the United States. If I have my facts correct, there are more black buck antelope on ranches in Texas and other states than there are in their country of origin.

I am sure that as the head of such a larger corporation, such as Delta, you do quite a bit of research prior to making decisions which might affect your company. I urge you to do the same in this instance. Never in the history of the planet has sport hunting caused the extinction of a species. Market hunting, yes, but not sport hunting. And those species that market hunting affected, such wood ducks, canvasbacks, alligators, elk, and bison, were all brought back from the verge of extinction by the efforts of sportsmen and women…..not the likes of Ricky Gervais, PETA, or HSUS.

A final thought I would like to leave you with is this: There are a lot of people who say that they will not fly Delta if you continue to fly legally taken sport trophies into the U.S. Well, there are a lot of sportsmen and women out there who will no longer be flying with SAA because they will not fly our legally taken trophies back into the States. We value our trophies, and will not do business with a company that doesn’t respect our rights as sportsmen and women. I dare say, however, that I don’t think that there are many members of HSUS, PETA, or the Hollywood community that will line up to get on a SAA jet to show their support for their ban.

Thank you for your time, and please consider the evidence that I have offered you encourage you to continue flying legally taken hunting trophies into the United States.

Sincerely,





Frederick W. Jagow, R.N., B.S.N., C.C.P.
Well done sir. There was a thread here. A white back about a cargo company I think it was called cargolux. Anyone use them or heard of them? I'd like to hear from Robert of SSI on this
 
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People with money to invested need to start an air courier service, its a huge business opportunity.
 
Great letter,Thank you for your time writing it. John
 
Well done sir. There was a thread here. A white back about a cargo company I think it was called cargolux. Anyone use them or heard of them? I'd like to hear from Robert of SSI on this
I've used Cargolux a number of times over the past few years. Never had a problem. I don't know about today, but a few years ago they were about the only option to take (legally shot!) ivory out of Africa. Why?
 
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Mr.16 gauge, well done on a thorough written letter, lets truly hope it hits the mark.
 
From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

As an online petition asking Delta Air Lines to stop transporting exotic animal hunting trophies gathered more than 58,000 online signatures, the carrier responded that it complies with U.S. and international restrictions.

Atlanta-based Delta issued a statement saying it “accepts hunting trophies in accordance with all U.S. domestic and international regulations, which prohibits the possession of trophies or other items associated with protected species.” The airline said customers must provide documentation of trophies to U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials during inspections of their trophies.

Chris Green says in his petition on Change.org that he is a Diamond Medallion frequent flier on Delta and chair of the American Bar Association’s animal law committee, and that he started the petition after South African Airways announced a policy refusing to transport exotic animal hunting trophies, while Delta is the only U.S. airline to serve South Africa directly.


http://www.ajc.com/news/busine...ial_twitter_2014_sfp
 
What I wrote above is but one very small victory in a very long war. My thanks to those who worked on this.

Now lets try to address another issue. Since everybody on this site is at least somewhat computer literate, how about emailing both Senators and your Congressman and ask for help as per the following:

"Make certain that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintains its commitment (April 23, 2015) not to enforce its regulation requiring the electronic registration of firearms by hunters who wish to travel abroad with their firearms, at least until CBP improves and/or revises the registration process; Require the U.S. Department of State to withdraw the regulation (22 C.F.R. §123.17(c)) that requires hunters to electronically register their firearms in order to take those firearms out of the country for international hunting; Introduce and adopt legislation that prohibits the U.S. Department of State from using regulations to create a de facto firearms registry of hunters who travel internationally."

This is a challenge to every American citizen on the forum to do this.
 
What I wrote above is but one very small victory in a very long war. My thanks to those who worked on this.

Now lets try to address another issue. Since everybody on this site is at least somewhat computer literate, how about emailing both Senators and your Congressman and ask for help as per the following:

"Make certain that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintains its commitment (April 23, 2015) not to enforce its regulation requiring the electronic registration of firearms by hunters who wish to travel abroad with their firearms, at least until CBP improves and/or revises the registration process; Require the U.S. Department of State to withdraw the regulation (22 C.F.R. §123.17(c)) that requires hunters to electronically register their firearms in order to take those firearms out of the country for international hunting; Introduce and adopt legislation that prohibits the U.S. Department of State from using regulations to create a de facto firearms registry of hunters who travel internationally."

This is a challenge to every American citizen on the forum to do this.
First, thanks Mike for the info. Lets hope Delta continues to take this stance. I wrote a letter this morning to Emmirates about there ban. I am also very concerned about the bill that was introduced here in New York state in trying to ban the import of certain African species into New York's JFK port , namely rhino, elephant, lion and leopard. I guess I have a personal concern as I will be in Namibia in September on a leopard hunt. My point being it start's with JFK and then I m sure it will spread to all major U.S. ports. Again I call on the big guns in the industry to start a huge pro hunting campaign on TV, radio, print, everywhere! We need to educate the public. I know with pressure with can ease back the anti's before we loose it all.
 
I've used Cargolux a number of times over the past few years. Never had a problem. I don't know about today, but a few years ago they were about the only option to take (legally shot!) ivory out of Africa. Why?
That's a good question Hank. I hope more and more importers start using them as well as other non commercial airline cargo companies. Let them feel the loss.
 
Just saw this from SCI, some good news for now.

Delta Air Lines Will Continue to Ship Hunting Trophies
SCI is pleased to announce that Delta Air Lines will continue to ship hunting trophies, although some other air cargo carriers have announced plans to stop doing so. In spite of the efforts of anti-hunters to pressure Delta to discontinue trophy shipments, business at Delta will continue as usual. Delta released the following statement in response to a petition requesting that the company change its policy concerning the shipment of “exotic” animal hunting trophies:
Delta accepts hunting trophies in accordance with all U.S. domestic and international regulations, which prohibits the possession of trophies or other
items associated with protected species. Customers are required to produce detailed documentation of trophies to U.S. Customs and Border Patrol
officials as their trophies undergo inspection.
SCI thanks Delta for not allowing the prejudices of anti-hunters to overcome the scientific evidence that shows that the hunting and importation of sport-hunted animals provides invaluable support for wildlife and habitat management and conservation, including anti-poaching efforts. Unfortunately, some other international cargo shippers have chosen to stop shipping some or all hunting trophies. South African Airways Cargo recently announced an embargo on the shipment of rhino, elephant, tiger, and lion trophies. Emirates SkyCargo has announced that as of May 15, 2015, it will not accept any kind of hunting trophies for carriage on Emirates’ services. Emirates states that its restriction will apply to all “CITES & Non-CITES listed species.”

SCI is currently working to reverse existing cargo shipment restrictions and prevent new ones. SCI hopes that other cargo shippers will follow Delta’s lead and place science and reason over prejudice and ignorance. We will update you as we receive more information. Anna Seidman at aseidman@safariclub.org.
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Safari Club International – First For Hunters is the leader in protecting the freedom to hunt and in promoting wildlife conservation worldwide. SCI’s approximately 200 Chapters represent all 50 of the United States as well as 106 other countries. SCI’s proactive leadership in a host of cooperative wildlife conservation, outdoor education and humanitarian programs, along with the SCI Foundation and other conservation groups, research institutions and government agencies, empowers sportsmen to be contributing community members and participants in sound wildlife management and conservation. Visithttp://www.safariclub.org for more information.
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If all these airlines are suddenly starting to do this, there has to be some powerful political pressure coming from somewhere high up the ladder, and not just from the Anti's. Just my opinion. How long before all cargo carriers, sea and air, are influenced by this nonsense.
 
With the ridiculous amount of money that all of the gun and ammo companies spend every year in advertisements, it seems to me that the NRA should push these companies to start spending some of their vast advertising budgets on pro-hunting and pro-gun campaigns. If these companies could stop gun bans after Sandy Hook and promote guns on Duck Dynasty, then they surely can be successful against some of these antis.
 
With the ridiculous amount of money that all of the gun and ammo companies spend every year in advertisements, it seems to me that the NRA should push these companies to start spending some of their vast advertising budgets on pro-hunting and pro-gun campaigns. If these companies could stop gun bans after Sandy Hook and promote guns on Duck Dynasty, then they surely can be successful against some of these antis.
You are absolutely right. But I'd add that not just the NRA needs to do the pushing - we all should. I think all of the major ones would have a "contact" link on their web page. Well, we should contact them.
 
I personally avoid Delta if possible. All I know is it's time for all the big guns to start pushing our agenda. I wish I was in a position to make it happen.
 
We all have our likes and dislikes about airlines, but I have to ask, why post that you avoid Delta if possible when it appears they will continue shipping trophies, basically supporting our right to continue hunting?
 
We are all in a position to make things happen. Write your Congressmen and Senators. Join SCI, NRA, NSSF, etc and be an active member. There is a small group of us that is attempting to facilitate change in SCI. If it does not happen, hopefully the NRA will assume the primary roll in hunters rights.
 
We all have our likes and dislikes about airlines, but I have to ask, why post that you avoid Delta if possible when it appears they will continue shipping trophies, basically supporting our right to continue hunting?
I agree with you Mike that they are "possibly"supporting our rights, and we don't know that for a fact. We know it's a business decision right now. Do you believe SAA does not support hunting? If you ask me why I don't like Delta...Maybe it is the way there personal here in NY talk to customers..I ve had my fair share of ticket agents NOT like the idea I was transporting firearms to go hunting. I have more than on one occasion had female agents say Your going to shoot Bambi?
 
I did not ask why you did not like them, the airlines give us plenty of valid reasons to hate them.

I believe SAA is NOT supporting hunters, their cargo division will not ship legally obtained trophies. Delta will ship them. For me it is an easy decision as to whom I support with my dollars and in public support.

Brickburn,

I did send a comment thanking Delta for their support of conservation through hunting.
 

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