Just got this regarding the SAA embargo

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Dear PHASA members and fellow hunting associations

I am pleased to inform you that I met with representatives of South African Airways (SAA) on Wednesday afternoon, including the carrier’s Manager: Network Development and Aeropolitical Sam Ndlovu, to discuss the embargo of certain hunting trophies on its services worldwide.

As reported in the media, while the embargo was prompted by a shipment of elephant tusks misdeclared as machinery parts, PHASA was informed at this meeting that “ethical” considerations and general concern regarding the high level of poaching of iconic species such as rhino were also factored into the decision. SAA, they said, did not want to be seen as a conduit for the illicit trade in endangered wildlife products.

PHASA used the meeting to raise concern at the lack of consultation with the industry and government ahead of the decision and to explain the role of legal, sustainable hunting in South Africa’s wildlife management, which included sharing with them the many conservation success stories in which hunting played a major part. Furthermore, I strongly emphasized that an embargo on the transport of legally hunted sport hunted trophies with the necessary permits, will not address the issue of illegal trafficking.

Mr Ndlovu confirmed to PHASA that SAA now has a better understanding of South Africa’s policy of sustainable utilisation, which includes legal hunting, and how hunting permits are issued and how trophy exports are managed, following an earlier meeting with the Department of Environmental Affairs (DEA).

Mr Ndlovu also said that SAA acknowledged the importance of hunting tourism to South Africa and the role PHASA played in promoting the country as a premier hunting and tourism destination. He assured PHASA that further consultation will take place next week with the DEA and other stakeholders with the aim of reviewing and possibly revoking the embargo.

PHASA also offered its support and assistance should the airline require more information about hunting in general or the issuance of permits in particular.

All in all, I believe the meeting proved to be highly beneficial for both PHASA and SAA which, in the process, has established a valuable line of communication between the professional hunting community and a key South African tourism player.

I will, of course, keep you abreast of developments as these arise.

Yours sincerely

Adri Kitshoff
PHASA chief executive
 
Thanks for the update Marius.(y)
 
As usual, things are not as bad as first thought!
 
As usual, things are not as bad as first thought!
I posted the SAA press release related to this yesterday. Once we read that this is a temporary ban related to SAA being used to unintentionally transport illegal ivory, it made sense. From a hunter's standpoint, it would probably have been better if SAA had released the press info a week earlier. All legitimate hunters would support recovering the smuggled ivory and tracking down the culprits!
 
Good to hear, and many thanks to PHASA for taking this on.
 
Good to hear, and many thanks to PHASA for taking this on.

Absolutely Hank. We've had many discussions on this board regarding being a member vs being a non-member.
It's for these reasons why I am a member. They might not be perfect, but the effort they put in to the South African hunting industry IS substantial.
 
Ok I will reconsider using this airline.
 
Ok I will reconsider using this airline.

If you are flying domestically, SAA is the only airline who carries rifles within South Africa.
 
If you are flying domestically, SAA is the only airline who carries rifles.

British Airways Comair South Africa with handle firearm and ammunition on domestic flights, they will charge a small handling fee but better use BA
and stay away from the uneducated morons on SAA , if they take this stand against hunting they will lose allot on it !
 
Gordon,
are you 100% sure about BA handling firearms? As far as I know, its only SAA. BA stopped handling firearms about 2 years ago, unless its changed while I have been out hunting.
 
COMAIR - FIREARMS TRANSPORTATION
Created: Friday, 06 December 2013 02:02 | Hits: 739
URGENT NOTICE:
Transportation of Firearms on BA/Comair/Kulula Flights
We have been notified by BA/Comair/Kulula Management that they will no longer be transporting sporting weapons, effective 01 March 2013. See Press Release...

PRESS RELEASE:
South Africa: Transportation of firearms on BA/Comair/Kulula Flights
Please be advised that with effect from 1 March 2013, Comair will no longer be accepting firearms for carriage on any domestic or regional flight operated by both the British Airways and kulula brands. This includes all hunting rifles, or any weapon requiring special handling, that may not be carried as either hand luggage or checked baggage.

Passengers who hold bookings on any BA/Comair or kulula flight after this date will need to make alternative flight bookings. Please note, this information only applies to southern African flights and does not apply to British Airways international flights between London and South Africa.Released by: Comair Limited
 
Airlines are in the business of making money. There is nothing wrong with that. It looks like SAA may have had a knee-jerk reaction to an incident which should concern us all - the smuggling of undoubtedly poached tusks. Not only is providing an outlet for poached animal parts bad for the airlines' business, it's bad for hunters as well, for all sorts of reasons.

PHASA, along with some others, has met with SAA and they have agreed to reconsider the matter. I suggest that we support PHASA in this, and that we provide some positive reinforcement for the airline. After all, they could have said too busy to meet, not enough money in hunters, etc. Instead, they are - so far - acting as you would expect a responsible business to operate.

So perhaps the name calling can be kept in reserve for the time being?
 
Marius,

Do you have any sense as to how serious SAA is about looking at it?

Obviously there is really looking into it and then there is saying they are looking into it.... Hoping it is truly the former!
 
How ironic is the name of the fellow from SAA?!

Good observation.

I hadn't picked up on that. Pretty funny.

Should be listed in the dictionary under the definition of irony.
 
Marius,

Do you have any sense as to how serious SAA is about looking at it?

Obviously there is really looking into it and then there is saying they are looking into it.... Hoping it is truly the former!

Royal,
I don't think that this will affect the hunters one bit. In my opinion, nothing to worry about. Not one bit.
 
COMAIR - FIREARMS TRANSPORTATION
Created: Friday, 06 December 2013 02:02 | Hits: 739
URGENT NOTICE:
Transportation of Firearms on BA/Comair/Kulula Flights
We have been notified by BA/Comair/Kulula Management that they will no longer be transporting sporting weapons, effective 01 March 2013. See Press Release...

PRESS RELEASE:
South Africa: Transportation of firearms on BA/Comair/Kulula Flights
Please be advised that with effect from 1 March 2013, Comair will no longer be accepting firearms for carriage on any domestic or regional flight operated by both the British Airways and kulula brands. This includes all hunting rifles, or any weapon requiring special handling, that may not be carried as either hand luggage or checked baggage.

Passengers who hold bookings on any BA/Comair or kulula flight after this date will need to make alternative flight bookings. Please note, this information only applies to southern African flights and does not apply to British Airways international flights between London and South Africa.Released by: Comair Limited


Perhaps my information was too old...

BA Comair baggage policy :
http://www.southafrica.to/newsletters/2011/20111107-BA-Comair-baggage-policy.php
 
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If you are not getting the baggage policy from the Airlines own webpage you are taking a huge risk.
They change policies like the wind.
 

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