SCI ALERT!! New regulations for exporting your firearms!

JimP · Apr 6, 2015

ActionBob said:
Made it through our first checkin with no issues.

That's good. I think that I am going to be more concerned on when you come back into the US when you have to go through customs.

ActionBob · Apr 6, 2015

JimP said:
That's good. I think that I am going to be more concerned on when you come back into the US when you have to go through customs.

Jim you are so right! We will be gone long enough that we might come back to a whole new system. That is why I'm grateful we got this done!

And we have multiple copies of the paperwork SSI did for us... as well as everything else. We make copies for our file in the carry on, each rifle case and an extra in another bag.

ActionBob · Apr 6, 2015

So my wife just asked "Why did we have to do all this extra paperwork". Nobody looked at it this morning. Everything went tne same as normal, at least so far. Of course I told her that the system is not up to speed yet and we may need it on our return so it's good we have it. Then she wanted to know whatIit is accomplishing. ? We cannot come up with anything useful and concluded it is just more overreach by a beaurocratic machine that is running amuck.

woods1126 · Apr 7, 2015

Have a wonderful trip ActionBob! If memory serves me correctly, we only produce our 4457's upon return to the US at point of entry. This would be the time we may have to produce our ITN's. I'm leaving tomorrow morning for SA. I will give everyone a full report when I return on how this was handled. Kevin

ActionBob · Apr 7, 2015

Kevin if you read the rules they want youtopresent your guns and ammo with paperwork when you departthe USA. However this is not at all practical... When I emailed my contact at Customs, he said as much and that he instructed his guys to let us through as we were doing our best to comply.

But for now I think your correct.

We are in Africa with our guns right where they belong beside the bed.

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woods1126 · Apr 7, 2015

Excellent ActionBob!! I wish there was internet at our destination in the Eastern Cape, there is not. Therefore I will have to wait to hear about your trip, and to report on ours. Cheers and enjoy every moment! Kevin

Mike70560 · Apr 23, 2015

Thanks to everybody who wrote their Senators and Congressman.

Apr 23 2015
Hoeven: U.S. Hunters No Longer Required to Register With IRS to Take Personal Firearms on International Hunts

Senator Secures CBP's Commitment to Return to Previous Travel Forms

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator John Hoeven, chairman of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Committee, today announced that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will no longer require U.S hunters traveling internationally to obtain an IRS identification number in order to bring personal weapons on hunting trips outside the U.S. At a meeting early Wednesday with U.S. CBP Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske, Hoeven secured a commitment from the agency to return to the paper process used by international hunters for years, while updates are made to the automated reporting system for exporting weapons. Kurlekowske said the agency’s web site would be updated later today.
“Hunters should not have to register as a business with the IRS in order to bring their weapons and ammunition on international hunting trips,” said Hoeven. “This is an unnecessary and burdensome requirement on law-abiding citizens. We appreciate that CBP has recognized this and will return to their original forms for international hunters, while they update their automated system to recognize the difference between a commercial exporter and a sportsman traveling on a hunting trip to Canada or another country.”
CBP recently began enforcing regulatory changes from 2012 requiring U.S. hunters to comply with commercial export requirements when transporting firearms outside the U.S. for personal use. Under these requirements, in order for a U.S. hunter to take personal weapons to another country temporarily, the individual would have to register the weapon in the Automated Export System (AES) and provide a transaction number to CBP.
The AES is designed for commercial exporters and requires all users to obtain an Employer Identification Number (EIN) from the IRS in order to access the system. CBP has acknowledged that forcing hunters to obtain an EIN is not appropriate. Under the agreement reached this week, the agency will allow international hunters to use the original paper process while CBP works with the Department of State on an appropriate long-term solution.
http://www.hoeven.senate.gov/p...be-9c15-b5fb71a76999

brushmore · Apr 23, 2015

That is good news! But we still aren't finished since we still have this horrible regulation on the books. But one step at a time is good.

Wheels · Apr 23, 2015

Thanks for the update.

Ditto what Mike said regarding contacting your Senators and Representatives.

Nice to get good news occasionally.

All the best.

BRICKBURN · Apr 23, 2015

Thanks Mike, I have spread it to every thread on the subject here on AH.

Royal27 · Apr 23, 2015

Good stuff and good start!

What a mess....

SheHunter · Apr 23, 2015

Thanks for the good news ; I sent a Thank You to Senator Hoeven's office, and encourage everyone to do so. I was hoping that someone would step up to the plate and stop this madness before our August trip to Namibia. I appreciate the Senators efforts.

Wheels · Apr 23, 2015

SheHunter said:
Thanks for the good news ; I sent a Thank You to Senator Hoeven's office, and encourage everyone to do so. I was hoping that someone would step up to the plate and stop this madness before our August trip to Namibia. I appreciate the Senators efforts.

I sent him a thank you letter as well.

May have to hunt the Prairie Potholes again this fall as payback.

BRICKBURN · Apr 23, 2015

Temporary Exportation of Firearms

Release Date:
April 23, 2015

WASHINGTON— U.S. Customs and Border Protection will continue to follow the long standing practice of issuing and certifying a Certificate of Registration (CBP Form 4457) to ensure that no traveler attempting to legally take their firearm out of the country experiences significant delays or incurs additional cost due to the implementation of a new regulation requiring an electronic filing. CBP's enforcement focus is on those engaged in illegal exportation of firearms for use by overseas organizations and individuals wishing to cause harm.

During this time, when a traveler contacts CBP to report export of a firearm, CBP will:

Assist the traveler to complete a CBP Form 4457 to assist in an issue free return to the U.S.
Provide a fact sheet about the regulation and how to comply.

Additionally, CBP is working with our other government partners to modify the AES system and the reporting process to make a more user-friendly experience for individual travelers.

CBP recommends that travelers allow a few hours for the declaration of the firearms to CBP and advises travelers to become familiar with the import requirements of the foreign country(s) that they may be traveling through or visiting. The countries may have more restrictive laws and regulations regarding the use of firearms.

Current export regulations issued by the Department of State require the traveler to file electronic export information (EEI) for temporary export of personally owned firearms via the Automated Export System (AES) prior to departure from the United States. AES has a free web-based internet application known as AESDirect that permits the traveling public to electronically report the Electronic Export Information (EEI) for temporary export of their firearm(s).

http://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/2015-04-23-000000/temporary-exportation-firearms

johnnyblues · Apr 24, 2015

Not so fast everyone I am afraid. Nothing has changed!

Hogpatrol · Apr 26, 2015

I left Philly, Pa for ATL then on to JNB, all bags checked through, on April 11 with a buddy and each of had two rifles in our gun cases. No ITN, no BS with TSA, or Delta. Got back yesterday, the 27th. Firearm hitches, none.

johnnyblues · Apr 26, 2015

Hogpatrol said:
I left Philly, Pa for ATL then on to JNB, all bags checked through, on April 11 with a buddy and each of had two rifles in our gun cases. No ITN, no BS with TSA, or Delta. Got back yesterday, the 27th. Firearm hitches, none.

Interesting.......I think CPS has no clue what they are supposed to do yet. Guess they are as confused as we are!

sestoppelman · Apr 26, 2015

Mike70560 said:
Thanks to everybody who wrote their Senators and Congressman.

Apr 23 2015
Hoeven: U.S. Hunters No Longer Required to Register With IRS to Take Personal Firearms on International Hunts

Senator Secures CBP's Commitment to Return to Previous Travel Forms

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator John Hoeven, chairman of the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Committee, today announced that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) will no longer require U.S hunters traveling internationally to obtain an IRS identification number in order to bring personal weapons on hunting trips outside the U.S. At a meeting early Wednesday with U.S. CBP Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske, Hoeven secured a commitment from the agency to return to the paper process used by international hunters for years, while updates are made to the automated reporting system for exporting weapons. Kurlekowske said the agency’s web site would be updated later today.
“Hunters should not have to register as a business with the IRS in order to bring their weapons and ammunition on international hunting trips,” said Hoeven. “This is an unnecessary and burdensome requirement on law-abiding citizens. We appreciate that CBP has recognized this and will return to their original forms for international hunters, while they update their automated system to recognize the difference between a commercial exporter and a sportsman traveling on a hunting trip to Canada or another country.”
CBP recently began enforcing regulatory changes from 2012 requiring U.S. hunters to comply with commercial export requirements when transporting firearms outside the U.S. for personal use. Under these requirements, in order for a U.S. hunter to take personal weapons to another country temporarily, the individual would have to register the weapon in the Automated Export System (AES) and provide a transaction number to CBP.
The AES is designed for commercial exporters and requires all users to obtain an Employer Identification Number (EIN) from the IRS in order to access the system. CBP has acknowledged that forcing hunters to obtain an EIN is not appropriate. Under the agreement reached this week, the agency will allow international hunters to use the original paper process while CBP works with the Department of State on an appropriate long-term solution.
http://www.hoeven.senate.gov/p...be-9c15-b5fb71a76999

I see part of the problem in this letter right here and now. His name is Kerlikowske!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Former Chief of Police, Seattle. A real anti gun HORSES ASS of the first order!!!!!!!!!! You don't hear much about him but believe me he is a real jerkoff! This turd actually left his personal firearm, loaded in a parked car in downtown Seattle, (while Chief), and visited some gal (running errands he says!!) and guess what? The gremlins broke into his car and stole his gun. There was just a bit of kerfluffle over that one!! When I saw that name it all came clear to me. You add this AHOLE to the AHOLE in Chief, Obama, and all the rest of this group of anti gun thugs and this is the kind of shit we get!! This new crap will NOT go away. It is here to stay. They MAY try to streamline it or make it easier but it is here to stay.

Oh and btw. I didn't bother to squeak to my two worthless Senators. I mean come on!! Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell?? Really?? Seriously, they are a couple of real worthless people in every respect.

Cliffy · Apr 27, 2015

IF this is now curtailed (for the time being) maybe we should not only thank the Senator but also SSI for their jumping right into the fray and finding a way to help all those who wanted that help. They did a stand up job and I will remember them the next time I go over the pond!

johnnyblues · Apr 27, 2015

Cliffy said:
IF this is now curtailed (for the time being) maybe we should not only thank the Senator but also SSI for their jumping right into the fray and finding a way to help all those who wanted that help. They did a stand up job and I will remember them the next time I go over the pond!

Glad I hired them for my first upcoming safari.

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