New USA requirements in addition to the form 4457

Hey Buddy, I completely agree, I also am a SSI client Bob told me they will contact us when they are ready for us. Can you believe all this crap!
Unfortunately none of this surprises me. Our government is out of control and it's getting worse. Unfortunately none of our recently elected officials are willing to stand up and put a stop to this nonsense.
 
That's what's funny. I expected them to tell me I still had to stop by and have them inspect the ammunition (and firearm if I had one I was traveling with). But, they obviously have access to AES and were able to look up my ITN. The supervisor was the one that told the officer to ask me for the ITN. I'll be at the airport three hours early and see if anything comes up with the airline when I check in.

The guidance provided states:

The person declares the articles to a CBP officer upon each departure from the United States, presents the Internal Transaction Number (ITN) from submission of the Electronic Export Information (EEI) in the Automated Export System (AES) per 22 C.F.R. § 123.22, and the articles are presented to the CBP officer for inspection;

As far as I can tell, there is nothing that the C&BP officer does to your AES record and it doesn't appear that they provide us with anything that states they've completed the inspection (since the 4457 is no longer part of the process).
 
From what I understand South Africa still requires the 4457 for their import permits but I could be wrong.
 
Trap 123:
My intention was not to target you....In fact I commend you.... you did what was right for you, guided by a CBP officer in Syracuse NY.
This is why we started SSI....to help other hunters in all hunting situations..... Not only do we take on a situation like this because we have to, but because I am a hunter and sit where you sit also.
The problem is that there is so much mixed information on this thread and people are confused and panicked. This Executive Order will not easily go away easily....It will take time to fight.
 
Robert,

Thank you for your insights and helpful guidance. I figured I had to have an EIN, and I was already committed to using another firm for importing of my trophies otherwise I would have taken you up your offer. So, I went ahead and did the registration on AES myself. I believe I did everything correctly since C&BP was able to look up my record and review it for me.

I agree with you, I believe this process will be here for quite awhile. Once we all get the used to it, it should not be a big deal for us. My biggest frustration is the lack of sufficient notice - but maybe we should have expected this and been doing it since 2012.

John
 
Safari,
No offense taken.It seems as if this popped up so fast that it caused mass confusion.I am glad the folks such as yourself caught up to this so quickly.Believe me if I had known there would be help a few days ago i would have paid just about any price asked to get that number.

Funny thing is you guys seem to have caught up already while the government is still chasing their tails.
 
Safari,
No offense taken.It seems as if this popped up so fast that it caused mass confusion.I am glad the folks such as yourself caught up to this so quickly.Believe me if I had known there would be help a few days ago i would have paid just about any price asked to get that number.

Funny thing is you guys seem to have caught up already while the government is still chasing their tails.
Your right..Thankfully we have folks like Bob looking out for his hunting clients. I for one am very grateful I hired him for my import.
 
Please read a little insight...

http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/3/25/rule-change-snags-traveling-american-hunters/

Rule Change Snags Traveling American Hunters
by Scott Olmsted - Wednesday, March 25, 2015

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On the heels of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (BATFE) now-withdrawnproposed ammo ban on March 10, 2015, comes news of an arcane rule implemented by the U.S. State Department that snares traveling American hunters in bureaucratic red tape.According to reports from across the country, requirements for American hunters taking personal firearms and ammunition abroad have changed or will change soon. Some hunters who have contacted American Hunter say changes have already gone into effect; others say the changes go into effect April 3, 2015. Exactly why the rules are changing and how American hunters will be affected long-term is not completely understood at this time. But this much seems clear: These rule changes, along with the tabled-for-now BATFE attempt at banning green-tip .223 Remington ammo, point to an unmistakable pattern of abuse of American gun owners, say NRA-ILA personnel.

For years, the State Department’s International Trafficking in Arms Regulations (ITAR) have allowed Americans to temporarily take abroad up to three non-automatic firearms and as much as 1,000 rounds of ammunition from the States, without a permit, for personal use. Until now, hunters traveling to Argentina’s famous wingshooting destinations, to Europe and to Africa on safari have merely been required to obtain a U.S. Customs and Border Protection Form 4457 for each firearm. They did this by taking said firearms to a Customs office before departure; the serial numbers of the guns were verified by a Customs officer and he/she signed the form, or forms. One or more firearm could be entered on the same form, space allowing. Photographers, hunters and others have long used a CBP Form 4457 to establish ownership of property before leaving the States or to avoid paying import duties on expensive, personal items upon returning home. A 4457 is (or was) good for life.

In 2012, the State Department changed the rules, adding a new requirement: Travelers must declare rifles or handguns “upon each departure” by presenting documentation generated only through the U.S. Commerce Department’s Automated Export System. Interestingly, non-“combat” shotguns are not regulated by State, so AES requirements do not apply to them. Regardless, the rule change escaped scrutiny in 2012 because it was buried in a Federal Register notice that authorized temporary export of field protective (gas) masks by government employees and contractors.

For reasons unclear to American Hunter, the rule change was never enforced. Now, however, it will be. According to the NRA-ILA, “In postings on the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) website and in internal ICE documents obtained by NRA-ILA, ICE makes clear that it has begun enforcing the rule change. Form 4457 may no longer be used for firearms, and electronic declarations will be the norm.”

AES is an online reporting tool designed for business use. It is a joint venture between Customs, the Foreign Trade Division of the Census Bureau (under Commerce), the Bureau of Industry and Security (also under Commerce), the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (under State), other federal agencies and the export trade community.

According to advice posted by Safari Club International (SCI), American hunters planning to travel abroad with their personal firearms must, at the time of departure, declare the articles to a Customs officer, present an Internal Transaction Number obtained from the submission of the Electronic Export Information in the AES and present the guns (and ammo, if any) for inspection to Customs at the port of departure. Gun owners must declare that the articles are for their exclusive use, that the guns and ammo will not be re-exported or otherwise change ownership and that it is their intent to return to the States with the articles.

Here’s the catch: Individuals are currently unable to use the AES because it requires entry of an Employer Identification Number, according to internal ICE documents. Of course private U.S. citizens have no Employer Identification numbers, which are obtained only by businesses. According to the Internal Revenue Service, they should be used only for tax purposes. Clearly, say NRA-ILA personnel, law-abiding American hunters traveling abroad with personally owned firearms are not exporters “under any reasonable understanding of what that term is intended to mean.”

What’s more, it’s not entirely clear that U.S. Customs personnel are actually prepared to implement the rule change. Perhaps that’s why, for now at least, there is a work-around for traveling hunters: U.S. Customs has authorized its officers at airports to enter identifying information for each traveler and his or her firearm. This should aid travelers who are unaware of these requirements or who are unable to use the AES. But while this stopgap may avert crises during upcoming travel, it raises questions. How will the information be used, and how long will it be retained? How long will this stopgap alternative be available? And how will the new rules be enforced at other places of entry? Bear hunters returning from Canada this spring, for instance, may be in for rude awakenings.

NRA-ILA personnel, along with like-minded staff from SCI and other groups, are working toward an emergency rule change to put an end to this. If necessary, the NRA-ILA also will pursue shorter-term changes to prevent headaches for hunters traveling in the near future. And it will also consider, if necessary, a long-term solution through federal legislation.

American hunters planning to travel abroad in the near future should first consult with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and perhaps their own legal counsel. More information regarding the new requirements can be found on the Immigration and Customs Enforcement website. Traveling hunters also may take a quiz at the ICE website to determine whether an export license or exemption applies.

In the meantime, NRA members are urged to contact their U.S. representatives and senators to voice their opposition to the State Department’s shenanigans by using the NRA-ILA’s Write Your Lawmakers tool, or by phone at 202-224-3121.
 
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Anyone up for some math ??
Two Hunters, Two Rifles, Two 4457 forms, One Rifle Case housing both = How many ITN's ??
 
What a freakin mess for no good reason.
 
Anyone up for some math ??
Two Hunters, Two Rifles, Two 4457 forms, One Rifle Case housing both = How many ITN's ??

I believe that depending on where you are traveling to you can not use the same case, but I could be wrong.

You may want to verify two rifles in one case with whatever nation you are planning on traveling to.
 
NO!!!!!!!! each hunter has to have his OWN gun registered.....
In it's own case......
Please read ICE, states as check in luggage........
 
Robert SO RIGHT! I m with you. So very grateful I hired you for my export this year. Look forward to hearing from you and getting PAST THIS.

That is a great service he is offering. Doesn't do a guy like me much good though, that may not be importing any trophies.
 
Thank you JGRaider........
 
Thank you JGRaider........
Thank you Bob. I just completed all that needed to be done. The way you presented it made it simple and painless. Everything will be in the mail tomorrow. Hats off to you sir!
 
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If Form 4457 can no longer be used for firearms what do we use to get a South African firearms permit?
 
You will still use that form for your paperwork and a good thing to hang onto regardless. If I understand it right.
 

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