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This is a discussion on UN arms treaty within the News forums, part of the AfricaHunting.com category; FYI, I think all UN countries should be following SCIs advice on this one. Dear SCI members, Over the last ...

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    FYI, I think all UN countries should be following SCIs advice on this one.


    Dear SCI members,

    Over the last four weeks the United Nations has been engaged in final negotiations on the terms of an Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). This treaty has the purported goal of reducing the illicit trade in arms. However the ATT is massive in scope, possibly covering every conventional weapon, from battleships and missiles to your common deer hunting rifle and ammunition.

    The ATT has been in the works for more than a decade, and SCI has continually and consistently monitored its progress to protect hunters from the threats that it could pose. SCI has continually lobbied to exclude hunting firearms and ammunition entirely from the scope of the treaty.

    Negotiations have been moving slowly during the months of June and July, however on July 24, 2012 a draft version of the treaty was released and it contains numerous provisions that are extremely dangerous to hunters. Some of the worst provisions of the draft are listed below.

    The current draft ignores the position of millions of sport shooters worldwide and includes all sporting arms, hunting rifles, and ammunition, instead of excluding this legal trade from the scope of the ATT. Sadly, the current United States administration has stated their support for the inclusion of sporting arms in the scope of the treaty.
    The current draft would require all signatory nations to establish a 渡ational control system to control the export of firearms and ammunition. This national control system could easily be interpreted as a national gun registration system by an anti-hunting administration.
    The draft fails to exclude the temporary import or export of firearms from its scope. This could add burdensome reporting requirements for even the temporary export of a firearm for a hunting trip.
    Article 11 of the draft treaty requires states to keep ten years of records for all arms exported. A country must keep records of 賭uantity, value, model/type, authorized arms transfers, arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s), recipient State(s), and end users. This requirement also applies to arms that merely transit or transship through a country. This huge bureaucratic undertaking could devastate traveling hunters as it is much more likely that air carriers will stop shipping firearms than comply with this unduly burdensome requirements.
    Article 13 would establish a new U.N. bureaucracy that would oversee national implementation of the treaty. This Orwellian named 的mplementation Support Unit would facilitate and oversee the implementation of the treaty.
    Finally, the draft treaty also contains an insidious clause in Article 23 that would essentially apply the treaty to countries whether or not they even sign the treaty. This clause requires that 鉄tates Parties shall apply Articles 3-5 to all transfers of conventional arms within the scope of this Treaty to those not party to this Treaty. This unacceptable position undermines state sovereignty and must be opposed.
    The bitter irony of all this is that the United States already has the most comprehensive set of export controls in the world. Other nations could simply emulate these protocols and address any problem, real or perceived.

    We need every SCI member and hunter to contact their senators and the President and urge them to oppose this dangerous treaty. Please click here to contact your legislators now.

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    Bureaucracy, corruption, etc., etc..... In the end I call it Control/Dictatorship over the folks that allowed these idiots in office (and I am not picking on just the US, every country has these a$$holes)!!! The, hey that sounds like a good idea, well done sir/maam mentality....
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    depressing reading. one of the ludicrous items you have to sign if you are trying to export even a .22lr from the uk, is a document stating that it is not capable of delivering a nuclear or biological warhead... you figure

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    depressing reading. one of the ludicrous items you have to sign if you are trying to export even a .22lr from the uk, is a document stating that it is not capable of delivering a nuclear or biological warhead... you figure
    Just wait, give them time and they will want you to prove it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondhitch View Post
    Just wait, give them time and they will want you to prove it!
    maybe if i lick the bullet after a good night out

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    I also have been keeping up with this for the past few years and have sent e mails to attorney generals and senators and congressman.

    The only one to respond was the AG from Washington when i lived there. Thanking me for bringing it to there attention.

    I know many on here will vote for Obama (for he can do no wrong) and i have gun owning friends who continue to say gun control is not on his agenda...

    This falls elections will be pivotal in the directions the USA will move. I know who i am voting for and for the second time my wife will vote the same way...
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    If the current administration is sincere about the United States and 2nd amendment rights and upholding the constituiton they wouldn't even entertain the thought of this treaty. But, Hillary is ready to sign before the ink is dry. The scary part is how many senators think this is a good deal for the country and have NOT informed the POTUS they will not back it. I'm sure it will be passed in the middle of the night like many things in Washington.

    Too bad the UN is too busy concentrating on how to disarm free nations while civil war and genocide are happening else where in the world. I'm sure when they put sanctions against syria that will stop the killing

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    i think the un is one of the biggest wastes of space and wasters of money on the planet. in african countries the amount of vehicles alone from every different un division is unreal. they are all nice toyota landcruiser gx and vx , nissan patrols and landrover discoverys. i have been sat pulled over in the middle of nowhere in zambia and 3 un vehicles from different departments, 2 landcruiser vx and a discovery drove past going where i dont know, with 1 un person and i driver in each vehicle. and as for the amount of buildings and staff they have....... the un needs to sort itself out and stop meddling in the affairs of sovereign countries.

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    News indicated that the vote will be with held until after the election.

    Also if passed it will affect all of us in the USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biddleman View Post
    If the current administration is sincere about the United States and 2nd amendment rights and upholding the constituiton they wouldn't even entertain the thought of this treaty. But, Hillary is ready to sign before the ink is dry. The scary part is how many senators think this is a good deal for the country and have NOT informed the POTUS they will not back it. I'm sure it will be passed in the middle of the night like many things in Washington.

    Too bad the UN is too busy concentrating on how to disarm free nations while civil war and genocide are happening else where in the world. I'm sure when they put sanctions against syria that will stop the killing
    I fully agree on the need for sanctions against Syria. Unfortunately soveregn states like China and Russia block this. This is the same states that make a living out of selling Syria guns....My point are: nothing is black or white..Not even in this matter. Why sporting arms cannot be separated from military weapons, beats me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    depressing reading. one of the ludicrous items you have to sign if you are trying to export even a .22lr from the uk, is a document stating that it is not capable of delivering a nuclear or biological warhead... you figure
    you've got to be shit'n me are you kidding!!! Send this to Congress or the Parliament or what ever its called in your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobpuckett View Post
    you've got to be shit'n me are you kidding!!! Send this to Congress or the Parliament or what ever its called in your case.
    not kidding!! it goes back to when saddam`s people ordered lots of specialist piping to make a massive cannon . google project babylon on wikipedia for a good explanation. after this uk customs included the nuclear/biological part to cover their asses!! if you have a barrel blank in the uk and want to send it to a top barrel company in europe for example to be drilled out, it is considered a firearm part and treated as such with all the paperwork involved. they dont care that it is basically a thin cylinder of steel. i couldnt get a synthetic stock for my sons ruger10/22 sent to me from uk to jersey , because midway uk had agreed when they opened up in uk they wouldnt ship "firearms" parts out of the uk. they agreed with me it was a piece of plastic but couldnt send it. this happens with all sorts of "lethal" stuff like spare mags etc. so you lot over there watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we in jersey are for the moment lucky/privileged to still have handguns and semi auto shotguns and military type rifles, but the local paper likes to stir it up so who knows how long this will be for...............

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