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    Hi Folks,
    Very sensitive subject here. Regarding the auctioned rhino hunt by DSC. Thoughts? Opinions? Sorry to bring this up but I was concerned for DSC and all of the horrific threats and bad publicity that the organization is receiving right now. I understand the logic behind the idea myself. What I am glad about is that maybe more non-hunter-greenie folks will pay attention now and start to open their wallets. Thanks! Hope I haven't crossed any lines.


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    I have only heard vaguely about this.
    What's going on?
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    I don't have a problem with a rhino hunt, probably part of the management plan. They do get old and it's a chance to make some money for more wildlife conservation. Hunting is management tool, but poaching is what low life scumbags do. Rhino poachers are the lowest of the low, hunters have ZERO IN COMMON WITH THEM. Whatever DSC does has been thought out before hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRICKBURN View Post
    I have only heard vaguely about this.
    What's going on?
    DSC in conjunction with the Namibian govt is going to auction off a permit for a single black rhino at this years convention. They believe the auction will fetch between 500K and 1M dollars. All proceeds to be sent to Namibia to support rhino conservation.

    The reason in my opinion it is in the least bit controversial is either DSC has not done a good job at explaining the bull to be hunted or the media is conveniently not covering it.

    The bull to be hunted is no longer capable of breeding or at least has past his prime, but is still capable of running the younger bulls off of his cows. The result of course being fewer calves as long as the bull is strong enough to fend off his competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHOENIX PHIL View Post
    The bull to be hunted is no longer capable of breeding or at least has past his prime, but is still capable of running the younger bulls off of his cows. The result of course being fewer calves as long as the bull is strong enough to fend off his competition.
    It riles me to think that anyone could actually have a problem with this. Even the dumbest of the bunny-huggers should be able to comprehend that ethically hunting an old bull, and plowing the money back into protecting an endangered species, is far more important than having the poor animal sadistically butchered so that some idiot can snort its horn to try an impress his girlfriend..

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    Hunters do more for conservation in 10 minutes than the animal rights activist do in a life time..... This is an opportunity to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for 1 single animal. It's on a grander scale, but similar to these auctions for Big Horn Sheep, etc..... I think it is great. The focus of the activist needs to be on the trade to China. They would kill every rhino for the horn, black bear for the gall bladder & fish every tuna out of the sea. As long as they have the demand, idiots (poachers) will go to great lengths to supply it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHOENIX PHIL View Post
    DSC in conjunction with the Namibian govt is going to auction off a permit for a single black rhino at this years convention. They believe the auction will fetch between 500K and 1M dollars. All proceeds to be sent to Namibia to support rhino conservation.

    The reason in my opinion it is in the least bit controversial is either DSC has not done a good job at explaining the bull to be hunted or the media is conveniently not covering it.

    The bull to be hunted is no longer capable of breeding or at least has past his prime, but is still capable of running the younger bulls off of his cows. The result of course being fewer calves as long as the bull is strong enough to fend off his competition.
    I didn't look up to see what the auction item was, but if it was you have listed here, that would be a great price...a few years back they were prices between $100,000-$250000....so if they get $500,000 that is awesome for the black rhino.

    I agree 100 percent with DOCMAN!!!

    Rhino horn is really no different than nail material from our toes and feet...people are STUPID!

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    You guys are awesome.
    DSC just put out a statement on their FB page (probably on the website too) explaining everything in much more detail. Hopefully this will help some folks who are on the fence. It won't stop the trolls from making threats and spewing-out horrible insults but if it helps even one or two people to understand how important ethical hunting is it's worth the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enysse View Post
    I didn't look up to see what the auction item was, but if it was you have listed here, that would be a great price...a few years back they were prices between $100,000-$250000....so if they get $500,000 that is awesome for the black rhino.

    I agree 100 percent with DOCMAN!!!

    Rhino horn is really no different than nail material from our toes and feet...people are STUPID!
    I was just quoting what I read. I'm not sure where their expectations for the auction price come from, perhaps nothing more than hope. But whether the permit fetches $100K or $1M, it's that much more than what the rhino will bring in if he drops dead from natural causes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gi jane View Post
    You guys are awesome.
    DSC just put out a statement on their FB page (probably on the website too) explaining everything in much more detail. Hopefully this will help some folks who are on the fence. It won't stop the trolls from making threats and spewing-out horrible insults but if it helps even one or two people to understand how important ethical hunting is it's worth the effort.
    Yep, it's a pretty important detail. For those who don't have a FB account, here's the recent post by DSC.

    9 Essential Facts About the DSC Rhino Permit Auction



    DALLAS (Oct. 25, 2013)優allas Safari Club (DSC) recently announced plans to auction a black rhino hunting permit on behalf of the Government of the Republic of Namibia. The hunt will bring biological and financial benefits to rhino conservation in a developing nation. Though it may seem counterintuitive to critics, the hunt is being sanctioned by scientists around the world as helpful to the future of a rare species.

    擢irst and foremost, this is about saving the black rhino, said Ben Carter, DSC executive director. 典here is a biological reason for this hunt, and it痴 based on a fundamental premise of modern wildlife management: populations matter; individuals don稚. By removing counterproductive individuals from a herd, rhino populations can actually grow.

    And, of course, the hunt also could generate a million dollars for rhino conservation efforts.

    Here are nine essential facts about the planned hunt:

    Scientific support for limited rhino hunting is based on biologist consensus that removing certain individual animals can enhance herd survival. Old non-breeding bulls can be territorial, aggressive and population limiting, often charging and killing younger bulls, cows and even calves. Removing these individuals can lead to greater survival of other rhinos and, in turn, greater abundance of the species.

    The black rhinoceros was listed in Appendix I of CITES in 1977. It was listed under the Endangered Species Act by the US Fish and Wildlife Service in 1980, and is listed as critically endangered on the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. That said, all three scientific entities佑ITES, US Fish and Wildlife Service, IUCN耀upport limited hunting.

    Conservation professionals with the Namibia Ministry of Environment and Tourism also recognize hunting as a valuable wildlife management tool, even for rare species. Namibia痴 rhino conservation strategy is often cited as an example for other African countries.

    Biologists consider Namibia痴 black rhino population to be relatively strong with an estimated 1,795 animals. Populations are threatened in some areas by poaching and habitat loss. In other areas, especially national parks and other protected lands, populations are recovering and sustainably managed through limited hunting.

    CITES has granted Namibia an annual export quota of up to five hunter-taken black rhinos.

    Namibia has never before sold a black rhino-hunting permit outside of its borders. Permits typically are sold to hunt operators within the country, who in turn re-sell the permits to clients from around the world. Generally, American hunters have been less interested in these hunts because of an historic ban on importing the trophies into the US.

    A US-based auction of a black rhino-hunting permit, with promised cooperation from the federal government, is unprecedented. But importing a hunted rhino trophy to the US has happened before. In April 2013, the US Fish and Wildlife Service issued the first Endangered Species Act import permit for a hunter-taken black rhino. The permit was for an old, aggressive, non-breeding bull taken in Waterberg Plateau National Park in Namibia in 2009. This hunt removed an animal that was counterproductive to herd growth and generated $175,000 for rhino conservation efforts.

    The Government of the Republic of Namibia selected DSC to auction another black rhino-hunting permit for a different national park. DSC expects the permit to sell for at least $250,000, possibly up to $1 million.

    The Conservation Trust Fund for Namibia痴 Black Rhino will receive 100 percent of the sale price. Funding will augment conservation projects now underway in Namibia, including:

    Helicopter surveys to determine rhino population estimates, demographics, carcass detection and mortality rates, etc.
    Purchasing ultrasound equipment for determining pregnancy in immobilized female rhinoceroses prior to translocation. Rather than relocating pregnant animals, biologists may choose to release pregnant animals on site to enhance calf survival rates.
    Providing all necessary rhino translocation equipment including vehicles.
    Provision of electronic and specialized security equipment to combat poaching.
    Developing a custom unmanned aerial vehicle equipped with an infrared camera to assist in patrolling national parks and safeguarding against poaching.
    鉄cience shows that eliminating certain individual rhinos will increase herd survival and help populations grow. This hunt is a way to accomplish that goal while generating major funding for other crucial elements of rhino conservation, said Carter.
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    Thanks Phil, I pasted the link but I'm not sure it came through.

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    I've read some of the vitriol posted by the anti crowd. No amount of logic can argue with out of control emotion - they hate us and some of them want us dead.

    Whether I'd do it or not is a moot point - I don't have the money and don't have prospects of having that much money. I'm pretty sure it won't be like the "old days" but, while I haven't yet experienced it first hand, I'm also pretty sure that any day hunting in Africa is a good day.

    Good luck to whoever gets this and I'll pray the money is put to good use.

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    DSC has not done a good job promoting the message of the rhino being taken and the monies going to conservation efforts. They are letting the current fervor die down and then they will readdress the rhino auction with a renewed message that includes more education about the funds and the plight of the rhino. Their heart is in the right place, their brains are not.

    As an aside, the passive and peace loving anti-hunting crowd has sent death threats to Ben carter and his family. They value the lives of animals over that of their fellow humans and would rather see the species go extinct, than have one taken for sport. I think given the choice of dying from old age and being eaten by lions, jackals and hyenas, i would rather be taken cleanly and humanely by a hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntingAgent.com View Post
    DSC has not done a good job promoting the message of the rhino being taken and the monies going to conservation efforts. They are letting the current fervor die down and then they will readdress the rhino auction with a renewed message that includes more education about the funds and the plight of the rhino. Their heart is in the right place, their brains are not.
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    It will garner the same reaction with "News release 2.0".
    Perhaps the folks who are not yet converted will bother to read some details. The Antis won't

    The Antis have a pretty easy sell though: Endangered Species being Killed by a hunter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRICKBURN View Post
    The Antis have a pretty easy sell though: Endangered Species being Killed by a hunter!
    Theres that whole "book by its cover" conundrum.
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    Howdy folks!! I just wanted to give you an update regarding the rhino auction. I have been monitoring things over on the DSC site, and so far there are quite a few people that have some positive or at least objective viewpoints. DSC has posted some very informative information and it seems that the hate is calming a bit. I hope. Anyway, just an update. Cheers!

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