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This is a discussion on muzzleloader for cape buffalo within the Muzzleloaders & Black Powder forums, part of the HUNTING EQUIPMENT, FIREARMS & AMMUNITION category; Originally Posted by Bobpuckett bp don't leave out South Africa as well very open to black powder rifles. Here are ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobpuckett View Post
    bp don't leave out South Africa as well very open to black powder rifles. Here are few pics of plains game taken with BP on the East Cape.
    Hey Bobpuckett ,i really appreciate your responses buddy. For me going to Africa is a thing i will probably only do once and i am trying to learn as much as i can about it now. I dont know if i will go with blk powder, but it is an option to me. I am having a custom .72 built. Those are great looking animals.Is that a Sharps Carbine?

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    Seems to me, taking on dangerous game is all about penetration, assuming a vital shot is made. Penetration is actually pretty easy to predict, its a function of sectional density (weight of projectile compared to its length) and impact velocity. (Note the word "impact".) Often overlooked, it is obviously a very important value on when boring through an elephant's skull or into a a big animal's chest.

    Most bullet manufacturers publish the data for their bullets, but here's an online calculator: Beartooth Bullets > Ballistician's Corner > Sectional Density

    Identically constructed projectiles of the same sectional density, when impacting an object at the same speed, will give the same penetration. Think spear vs. rock of the same weight, the spear simply retains velocity better since it will encounter less resistance due to its diameter. This is why the 500 grain .458 (sd. .341) pill will penetrate deeper than a .600 750 grainer (sd. .298). Perhaps the .600 will be adequate, but the .458 still goes deeper assuming both bullets stay intact.

    Armed with this knowledge, we can compare rounds. Assuming one can impact a 900 gr .72" bullet at about the same velocity, with a sectional density of .248 it will not penetrate as deeply as a .458 Win or a .600 NE. The keyword is impact, for example according to Nosler their 500 gr Safari Solid is down to 1521 fps at 200 yards, about the velocity blkpowder50 was speaking about from the muzzle. Assuming a well-placed shot, is that adequate?

    I'll leave that to more experienced hunters on the forum.

    I will say, however, I spent the last week hunting with Safari Club's #1 World Handgunner in 2010/2011, Kris Johnson. I know he's taken buffalo with his .500 S&W revolver, pretty sure that doesn't have nearly the poop of your .72 smoke pole. #1 handgun lion, #1 bongo and a top 20 hippo with it as well (not sure about elephant).

    I have to say, with backup, sounds like the makings of a great trip! And I'm pretty sure there's a PH out there that'll act as a true back-up, not a simultaneous fire, if you prove yourself and your rifle on some non-dangerous stuff (eland, etc.) first. They are there to get you out of trouble, not kill your animal for you unless they deem it necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blkpowder50 View Post
    Hey Bobpuckett ,i really appreciate your responses buddy. For me going to Africa is a thing i will probably only do once and i am trying to learn as much as i can about it now. I dont know if i will go with blk powder, but it is an option to me. I am having a custom .72 built. Those are great looking animals.Is that a Sharps Carbine?
    Can't really say, that is what I was told it was in a 54 Cal this was another hunter and his son.

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    i will probably only do once
    Thats what I said several safaris ago!
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    Hi BP for the past 4 years I only hunt with blackpowder in S.A. I use a inline .50 calibre rifle and I must tell you this is the most
    satisfying hunts I even had, even sold my nitro guns as they never gets used anymore. If I get a broadside chance on a buff I would not hesitate to make the shot (with backup by PH). As I saw the penetration of this bullets.

    On plains game I use selfcast 425gr pure lead in front of 110gr Wano FF, or 300gr Hornady SST in front of 110gr Wano FF. Hornady's mv is 1853 fs with lead it runs at 1577 fs
    I have taken kudu out to 200m in the Karoo with the Hornady's. Plenty Bluewildebeest, impala, warthog and blackwidebeest in the bushveld with both lead and Hornady's.

    At the moment I am in the process of getting a .62 forsythe cusom build inline ball shooting rifle done by a gunsmith in the karoo, can't wait to see how this will perform.

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