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.58 caliber double rifle.....Buffalo ?

This is a discussion on .58 caliber double rifle.....Buffalo ? within the Muzzleloaders & Black Powder forums, part of the HUNTING EQUIPMENT, FIREARMS & AMMUNITION category; Originally Posted by spike.t so this is a front loader being loaded to fire a projectile at 3000fps? what is ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    so this is a front loader being loaded to fire a projectile at 3000fps? what is the point? i thought the point of using old fashioned weaponry is the interest of having to utilise the capabilities of the type of weapon, and work within its umbrella??not to upgrade it to nuclear capabilities....same wanting to pump up the velocities of classic calibres that work perfectly well as designed to velocities that are not needed....
    Uh, This is not "old fashioned" weaponry. It is a new and different type of firearm meant to be used by those that are not stuck in some type of "old fashioned" mindset and are willing to try new things. There is no "point" in any type of hunting other meeting one's quarry on it's home turf and the satisfaction of making a clean, quick, one shot kill.
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    It's somewhat odd that other "hunters" would publicly on a forum surely read by those that would easily remove our hunting rights, denigrate the skills and weapons of other hunters when there is a full scale WAR being waged by well monied and well connected anti-hunting political machines not only in Africa but in the United States. They love it when the traditional bow hunters badmouth the compound bow hunters, the compound bow hunters badmouth the crossbow hunters, the blackpowder crowd badmouths the smokeless hunters and the centerfire hunters badmouth the muzzeloader enthusiasts. Keep it up guys, it's just what the anti-hunting cabal wants to hear.
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    I don't begrudge or belittle any hunter that wants to use any traditional or modern weapon, from spears to high caliber centerfires as long as they are proficient and capable of taking their quarry with a clean, quick kill. Hog

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    I am thinking. It's going to be at least 18 months before my Dr. Releases me. There is a NRA gun smith school at the collage . I think I'll talk with one of the instructors , Have a set of smokeless powder barrels made for my Double rifle. In reality the barrel set could be machined and bored to regulation from one solid block of steel. That would give me a 50 cal double that could shoot equal to a 375 HH. I love having what no one else has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    hey ses everone has a single shot, just load your bolt action with one round...dont even need to buy a no1 then either...
    Yeah, but I already have a couple No.1's. I know, I will load them with black powder. Viola!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogpatrol View Post
    Uh, This is not "old fashioned" weaponry. It is a new and different type of firearm meant to be used by those that are not stuck in some type of "old fashioned" mindset and are willing to try new things. There is no "point" in any type of hunting other meeting one's quarry on it's home turf and the satisfaction of making a clean, quick, one shot kill.
    Rant mode on:
    It's somewhat odd that other "hunters" would publicly on a forum surely read by those that would easily remove our hunting rights, denigrate the skills and weapons of other hunters when there is a full scale WAR being waged by well monied and well connected anti-hunting political machines not only in Africa but in the United States. They love it when the traditional bow hunters badmouth the compound bow hunters, the compound bow hunters badmouth the crossbow hunters, the blackpowder crowd badmouths the smokeless hunters and the centerfire hunters badmouth the muzzeloader enthusiasts. Keep it up guys, it's just what the anti-hunting cabal wants to hear.
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    I don't begrudge or belittle any hunter that wants to use any traditional or modern weapon, from spears to high caliber centerfires as long as they are proficient and capable of taking their quarry with a clean, quick kill. Hog
    You are being a bit oversensitive. Its OK if we argue back and forth in a friendly way about our likes and dislikes. Nobody expects us to ALL agree about everything! As far as the anti's, f**k em if they cant take a joke! I dont care what they think anyway. No matter what we say here, they will always be against everything we are for, and for everything we are against so screw them! Rant over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spike.t View Post
    so this is a front loader being loaded to fire a projectile at 3000fps? what is the point? i thought the point of using old fashioned weaponry is the interest of having to utilise the capabilities of the type of weapon, and work within its umbrella??not to upgrade it to nuclear capabilities....same wanting to pump up the velocities of classic calibres that work perfectly well as designed to velocities that are not needed....
    I agree, all you proved is you can turn a muzzleloader into a rifle....I thought that is why we invented the modern day rifle. I agree also why not use a single shot or load one in the bolt gun. Sometimes we modernize things to the extreme and it becomes something different than what it was intended to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sestoppelman View Post
    You are being a bit oversensitive. Its OK if we argue back and forth in a friendly way about our likes and dislikes. Nobody expects us to ALL agree about everything! As far as the anti's, f**k em if they cant take a joke! I dont care what they think anyway. No matter what we say here, they will always be against everything we are for, and for everything we are against so screw them! Rant over!
    Yes, Hogpatrol (and I am not calling you out here) but what spikey said was taken out of context. I have owned the Savage 10ML, I bought it for one reason, I hate cleaning the residue left from BP, HATE IT!!!! I think that is one of the major reasons our friends at Savage designed it for smokeless powder, (that and the added velocity). To be honest, I have gotten rid of every front stuffer I owned and my compound bow to fund other projects, one of which is the switch back into traditional archery i.e. longbow. "off topic" sorry

    Bluntly, I agree that if you kill cleanly (regardless of equiptment) who should care what we use. My recomendation to Mr. Sharpe about the 4 or 8 bore BP are all from reading the books on " the old fashion hunting techniques " with BP. Buff and Ele's require a big chunk of metal when being pushed with BP, the 400's and 500BPE's are not going to do it.

    In my opinion the guys who have pulled off a successful kill on a Cape Buff and Ele using a 50cal BP, or even traditional bow's are some very talented or very lucky s.o.b.'s, and it is a venture I for one am not willing to take. IF,,,, I were to ever decide to hunt Buff with BP, I would take a minimum of a 8 bore... As far as debating on a public forum about common interest, lighten up, we are all friends here because of the common interest...
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    I think if someone wanted to hunt Africa with 8 Bore or larger I would be all ears , that sounds like an adventure. A traditional hunt to me, brings out the best hunting memories sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sestoppelman View Post
    Yeah, but I already have a couple No.1's. I know, I will load them with black powder. Viola!!

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    OK, got it worked out. Taking my .58 . and a 375. If I get a close shot on a buffalo I'll use my 58. if I see a really nice bull over 75 yards out I'll use the 375. From talking with a Outfitter they do bow hunts and you are escorted by a PH and a guide both armed and ready to give back-up if needed. As I think penetration may be the issue, going to work up some monolithic steel bullets at .55 and sabot them. it's nice having a machine shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Sharpe View Post
    OK, got it worked out. Taking my .58 . and a 375. If I get a close shot on a buffalo I'll use my 58. if I see a really nice bull over 75 yards out I'll use the 375. From talking with a Outfitter they do bow hunts and you are escorted by a PH and a guide both armed and ready to give back-up if needed. As I think penetration may be the issue, going to work up some monolithic steel bullets at .55 and sabot them. it's nice having a machine shop.
    Perfect. Or you could just get some of the homogenous solids on the market from Barnes or Nosler and others in the appropriate diameter. If you can pick one with the highest sectional density for the best penetration.
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