Disappointing Hunt in Mozambique... booked with Hunt It All

Jerome, can you PLEASE shed some light on who flimed that and when? Or at least tell me if it was flimed this year or last. Terry is the wise guy on the right and Mark is the Plumber on the left (no distate meant towards plumbers please)

The stuff is the typical BS they feed hunters.

Man, I cannot BELIEVE they talked me and Frederik into joining them. They never owned any or part of Infinito Safaris as clarification!

Charl, I don't know when it was filmed, however I can tell you that the video was uploaded on YouTube by Jim Dicken (jimd072) on Feb 15, 2008. He makes videos for his guides, businesses that he promotes on his site and for people who he designs websites for.

Two big criminals! Wow...these two deserve prison time!

There are crooks all over this world...

What saddens me about these specific two CROOKS is that they use the "reservations" that some have against taking that big step to book their African hunt to their (dishonest) advantage... "Your money will stay right here in the USA until conclusion of your hunt" is what some people want to hear because it makes them feel safe about where they send their money and "We are stakeholders in the concession areas" is another sales trick...

In the process, unsuspecting victims such as Sergey are conned into spending hard-earned money with outcomes such as this.

One of the reasons why new hunting areas should be checked out personally (and in detail) by Outfitters before advertising hunts there...

DISGRACEFUL is a word that comes to mind!

Regards,

Originally Posted by Bert the Turtle

I'm not surprised that there are people out there defrauding customers. What does surprise me is that there are people willing to defraud a customer who will be walking around armed in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses.

Hard to get back to the airport if you shoot the PH in the bush usually..

Originally Posted by CharlvR

Sergey,

I was alerted to your post and promptly joined up to comment. I reported Hunt It All Inc. to SCI and DSC. We were appointed in 2009 to manage their Maua concession for them. I recruited Neil and Du toit to work for Moz. Unlimited Safaris. We found out they were selling hunts to clients that we know the animals were simply not there. This caused a big stir as we told them we will not be associated with an operation like theirs. We told them that if any hunter tunrs up that expects to hunt anything more than Elephant, Sable and Bushpig, we will leave. This happened. Other things went wrong and it became apparent these guys are nothing but LOW class crooks. There are questions about their area and quota that was never answered satisfactory. It is sad that a fine PH like Neil got mixed up in this nonsense, and I can report that these people are not in business anymore. I undertand Zak Grobler is now operating Moz. Unlimited Safaris with the Mozambiquan partners. I do not know anything about Zak and cannot comment on him, but I would take GREAT caution to book with Moz. Unlimited Safaris as I know the Moz. partners too well. This is in fact a sad incident, and I heard from Neil about your experience. We got out in the beginning of August last year and lost a lot of money. I trust this answer sheds more light on people that are very low on the moral chain when it comes to the hunting industry. They just try to rape it for what it is worth. Mark Willman is a Plumber in Louisville, Kentucky and Terry Cundiff (cannot say his name without swearing) owns a fish farming operation in Kentucky, I believe his business name is White Oak Lane Fisheries or something like that. I hope someone gets some justice.

Plumbers & Fish Farmers selling hunts in Mozambique....

I would laugh if I didn't feel so bad for the people they have screwed. Every person that goes to Africa on their first safari comes back and becomes "A Hunting Consultant" LOL

I do have to wonder what the PH's in this camp DID expect the clients to be hunting besides poachers and Tsetse flys??? Apparently the area was devoid of game so why would a PH even agree to take people hunting there???

Originally Posted by michaelhh375

Dear fellow hunters. As said before, its a shame to be fooled liked this. BUT, its good and strong of Sergey to inform us all, and guys, please remember..... REFERENCES at all times REFERENCES !! Doesn't matter how beautiful web page or emails.... only thing that you can trust are previous hunters.... and as more as better.

Michael

Personally I only put stock in references from people I know who have hunted with somebody. It's not like they are gonna give you the names of people that struck out or got screwed. If they can come up with 4 or 5 people that will say good things it usually gets them past the 245 that wont

Originally Posted by michaelhh375

Dear fellow hunters. As said before, its a shame to be fooled liked this. BUT, its good and strong of Sergey to inform us all, and guys, please remember..... REFERENCES at all times REFERENCES !! Doesn't matter how beautiful web page or emails.... only thing that you can trust are previous hunters.... and as more as better.

Michael

michaelhh375

Very good. However checking references sometimes will not find anything unusual.

One must make some phone calls and talk to the PH you will be with...get a feel so to say. Listen for the little things.

check to see if they are part of the PH association for there country. is a great start and try to see how long they have been in business at the same location.

Game ranches will pick up different PH to fill the slack so to say. One should try to be with the man or woman who owns the concession or ranch.

being promises the world and not delivering is one thing however not finding any game is another.

My last safari i was told i would be hunting one block to find out later i was in another. One was to be about 3,000 feet above sea level and the one we were on was 50 to 200 feet. I did not have the right clothing and the only response was the PH like the one we were hunting in better.

WE had a great time, however it was not what we had talked about over the phone...kind of like a bait and switch...

Who did you hunt with James? And where was that?

There is a KY forum online. I posted this link there. Here is a response I was given via private message. I quote:

"Terry Cundiff was from the same county I grew up in. As I recall he may have actually served time for drug dealing out of a truck that was used to deliver live fish.This was yrs. ago. He also ran a small outfitting business out near Jackson Ky. At one time I know he had a website.White Oak something.Heck it might still be in business I dont know. I know there were lots of problems locally with this guy.He would bring in clients from outside the area to Breathitt Co. near Van Cleve and let them hunt. Property he owned but also other people's property that he would claim to have leased from them. Problem was lots of these people didnt know a thing about what he was doing. The clients didn't have a clue either they were trespassing etc. and that the guy was lying. I don't know if he is still in business or not but I found his website.

www.whiteoaklake.com

No way would I deal with this guy in anything whatsoever."

Sergey - Chalver

We need to get this posted in the outfitters section for easy access.

I quote:
"If you know anything at all about the history of the main player, you won't be surprised to read that review."


These guys need to be shut down.

Originally Posted by ILCAPO

Who did you hunt with James? And where was that?

i sent you a message call me...

Originally Posted by redsncans

I quote:
"If you know anything at all about the history of the main player, you won't be true surprised to read that review."


These guys need to be shut down.

How true you are. However if we get used to using the tool we have in place and file a report on outfitters and PH'S it will be there for easy reference...
And i do mean and some times individuals will clean up there act if they know that unfavorable report are being posted about there operation.

I was alerted to this thread by a friend. Apparently video I shot of Terry Cundiff at a Hunting and Fishing Expo is being used. I currently list HuntItall.com on my website as well. HuntTheUS.com.
I will say this about Terry...
I have known Terry for several years. While I have not hunted with him either in Kentucky or in Africa, I do knowquite a few people who have and they got what they paid for. I do not know what happened in this particular case. I do know that his business in Kentucky is on the up and up and provides what he says it does.
I contacted Terry, about the trip, and as he explained it, this particular trip if it is the one he is thinking of was a donation to the local Safari Club of Louisville Kentucky. Having dealt with several of the members in this club which I belonged to at one point, I know that some of them, NOT ALL, can be a challenge to work with, and will when they can push donators of trips to the limit of what should be expected. Do not get me wrong, a donated trip should be treated just like a paid trip.. after all the person IS PAYING for the trip, though the money goes to the Charity.
Terry claims that this particular individual was not interested in hunting as we know it but wanted animals basically penned up and ready to shoot. Notice he talks about long stalks? Stalks are part and parcel of hunting. Why would you complain about that.
As to the PH who says that he worked for Terry? I do not know and did not discuss it with Terry.
The phone numbers on the site work. The individual can contact Terry and his partner. I had no trouble in getting him and discussing this matter. Of the hundreds of people who have hunted this is the only posted complaint and this one has not been followed up by any other hunters. At Terry's request I am deleting his listing, he has decided not to book any more trips in Africa at this time.

Well my reply to you JimDicken is to have Terry and Mark, comment on AH and address the complaint. I'm willing to hear their two cents.

But the fact those two experts aren't booking trips to Africa and they have not attempted to comment on here...tells me they are guilty as sin. Their sales pitch to me, in that video....really sounded like 2 con men....if I ever did see such a thing.

And that is my two cents.

I really feel for the people that paid trophy fees up front....very risky.

A fish farmer and a plumber booking hunts. Come on. Plenty of blame on both sides of this deal.

Originally Posted by enysse

Well my reply to you JimDicken is to have Terry and Mark, comment on AH and address the complaint. I'm willing to hear their two cents.

But the fact those two experts aren't booking trips to Africa and they have not attempted to comment on here...tells me they are guilty as sin. Their sales pitch to me, in that video....really sounded like 2 con men....if I ever did see such a thing.

And that is my two cents.

I really feel for the people that paid trophy fees up front....very risky.

There is no reason for Terry or Mark to comment. They stopped booking trips. They have ONE complaint on here. ONE. The rest of their customers and there are many apparently were happy. As for your snide comment about those "Two Experts" Terry and Mark spent many $millions in buying their property and currently have a lot of expensive equipment there which is being leased to another operator apparenly. They have not hidden from any one, like a con man would. Their Kentucky Operations, Selling Fish for stocking and running a Hunting Lease in Eastern Kentucky are very successful and I know people who have hunted there often and successfully. Terry told me he got out of the business, due to the one or 2 rich jerks who showed up wanting canned hunts, then bitched like Sergei did. Accusations of criminal activity in Kentucky from my research are nothing more than scurilous comments by some morons from KentuckyHunting.com a forum here in Kentucky with some less than dubious individuals who love to snipe at any one and anything without using their name. It is easy to post a negative comment when you do not have to take responsibility for it. You will notice I use no surname / or Handle... I post using my name and I can be found by Bing - ing my name any time. OR email me at Jimd072@aol.com.
My name was brought into this. I listed this business and did send one or 2 customers their way. Those customers did not contact me with complaints, OR post on here.
You can say "Guilty all you want, but at this point it is a wasted "Guilty" cause they no longer book trips to Africa. NOW if you want to go fishing in Alaska I am your man. Matter of fact I am looking out my window at the Kenai River right now.

Originally Posted by safari-lawyer

A fish farmer and a plumber booking hunts. Come on. Plenty of blame on both sides of this deal.

I find it strange that any one from SCI would comment here since Terry and Mark donated trips worth over $15,000 to SCI yet never got a single thank you. I know people who are hunters and damned good ones who were plumbers, fish farmers, lawyers, doctors, and even grass cutters. Any one can be an expert on African Hunting with the right education, upbringing, and love of the country and its habitat.
The class warfare going on here is a bit disgusting. I will not answer any more on this subject. It is a moot point at this time. ONE LAST TIME... ONE Complaint on this site. No other complaints from others in the community and some sniping from some of my fellow Kentuckians who have less than glowing recommendations for their won conduct on the KentuckyHunting Discussion forum... Dead end here. I commented ONLY because my name was brought into this. If you have a problem with Terry or Mark their website is still up and their phone numbers are available. CALL THEM.

Wow what a mess.

I think one thing is for sure, you are better off talking to the owner of an operation at least then you know who to corner about complaints.

What really saddens me is that not one representative has made any attempts to take responsibility or set the record straight?

No offense intended to anyone who is trying to build up a business, but the hunting industry is full of PH's with only a truck and hunting frame who are part time builders. We are seeing it in Zim, Mos and have been suffering from it for quite some time now in South Africa it is far to easy to make a quick buck and as soon as it becomes work just disappear. I think in this instance it is pretty much the same story, we are done with hunting/booking trips in Africa so why care.

It is funny how easy it is just to ignore a problem if you have nothing invested!

Sergey I am really saddened to learn of your unfortunate experience, hopefully your complaint has at least helped to prevent the same thing from happening to other hunters.

Best Regards
Louis van Bergen